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  1. That's definitely a fair point. I'm not a Mike...

    That's definitely a fair point. I'm not a Mike fan and haven't been for a while but to your point, the tackling and fundamentals haven't been there for years. You can talk about schemes all you...
  2. To follow up on this, LSU had 11 defensive...

    To follow up on this, LSU had 11 defensive recruits ranked 4 star or better in the 2016 class. OU had 17 in four years and LSU had 11 just in one. (I selected them at random.)

    If OU's defense...
  3. On Georgia's final drive in the 4th quarter, OU...

    On Georgia's final drive in the 4th quarter, OU called a blitz on 3rd on long. It worked. Both Ward and Okoronkwo had beaten their man. Okoronkwo had a wide angle but Ward had a straight line to...
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    Quite the way down memory lane of Pickens managed...

    Quite the way down memory lane of Pickens managed both OSU's exposure to the hedge fund as well as the life insurance scheme. With the insurance, the brokers warned him and the school not to do it,...
  5. That's not that many. That's only 4 per year.

    That's not that many. That's only 4 per year.
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    Pretty much this. Anyone else remember how he...

    Pretty much this.

    Anyone else remember how he donated a bunch of cash to Okie State and then demanded they invest in his hedge fund where he lost most of the money Okie State gave him? The OSU...
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    Geez, that's awful. OU is the one of the big...

    Geez, that's awful. OU is the one of the big brands in the history of college football and only signed one four star defensive recruit in two different classes?

    That's about the same time the...
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    In the last three years, OU's defense only had 7...

    In the last three years, OU's defense only had 7 players drafted and most of them were in the late rounds.
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    Are you using the NFL draft in recent years as an...

    Are you using the NFL draft in recent years as an example of OU's deep well of defensive talent? If so, that's a bad example.
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    They may be 4 stars but they're not pro prospects...

    They may be 4 stars but they're not pro prospects and not even close.
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    Back in the day, when OU players left early, it...

    Back in the day, when OU players left early, it was because they were early draft picks. Recently, it's been players leaving to be 6th round picks. This sounds similar.
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    That picture is embarrassing on many different...

    That picture is embarrassing on many different levels.
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    Yeah, but none of them are coming to OU.

    Yeah, but none of them are coming to OU.
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    You're confusing me for a Mike Stoops fan and I'm...

    You're confusing me for a Mike Stoops fan and I'm not. He should have been fired after the Baylor game in '14. No other major program wants him and that should say something. At the end of the...
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    No one tackles in 7 on 7 and that's what drives...

    No one tackles in 7 on 7 and that's what drives Texas high school football. As a result, Texas has great offensive skill players abut the defensive players are usually big and fast but can't tackle....
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    The missed tackle for DJ Ward was the game. ...

    The missed tackle for DJ Ward was the game. Stoops called a blitz and it worked. Okoronkwo had a bad angle but still put pressure. Ward had Fromm dead on, Fromm didn't even move and Ward ran right...
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    This is the key. The freshman weren't starting...

    This is the key. The freshman weren't starting because they were great. They were starting because the upper classmen were terrible.

    In the previous three years, OU's defense only had 7 players...
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    OU's defense sucks because the players aren't...

    OU's defense sucks because the players aren't very good and they lack the fundamentals of taking proper angles and tackling. Other than that, they're great.
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    Thanks for putting some data behind the original...

    Thanks for putting some data behind the original post. It's both the scheme and the talent but the scheme can only do so much. I don't follow recruiting much anymore but the recruiting stats are...
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    They'll likely play whatever their base defense...

    They'll likely play whatever their base defense is because they have good enough players not to need smoke and mirrors.
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    Good assessment. I hate the 3-4 in college. It...

    Good assessment. I hate the 3-4 in college. It only works when you have NFL level defensive linemen, particularly the NT. (Alabama is a good example.) OU's defensive lineman are below average...
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    Yeah, this. UGA has many more upper middle...

    Yeah, this. UGA has many more upper middle income types than OU and it's not close.
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    Over the years, OU's defensive players have made...

    Over the years, OU's defensive players have made an art form of running to the ball and not making a tackle. (Jordan Thomas.)
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    Keep in mind the reason we had so many true...

    Keep in mind the reason we had so many true freshman playing on defense is they signed with a defense that gave up an NCAA record for yards allowed in a game. (Texas Tech the year before.)

    We're...
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    You mean other than a city with 5 million people...

    You mean other than a city with 5 million people and dozens of corporate headquarters? OK.
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    Tickets were expensive and then you have airfare...

    Tickets were expensive and then you have airfare and lodging. UGA has a bigger and wealthier fan base than OU.
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    What, that Bama can do more things on defense...

    What, that Bama can do more things on defense because they have NFL talent at every position? That's not exactly ground breaking.
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    They'll bring pressure because they have DB's and...

    They'll bring pressure because they have DB's and LB's who are NFL prospects.
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    And he did. OU's DB's couldn't cover UGA's WR's...

    And he did. OU's DB's couldn't cover UGA's WR's and when UGA's RB's broke into the secondary, the DB's couldn't tackle them, either.

    Watch Bama play UGA next week. They'll play UGA just like OU...
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    This is what I'm saying. The talent isn't what...

    This is what I'm saying. The talent isn't what the fans think it is AND Mike Stoops sucks. It's not either/or.
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    At one point, Ward (#87) beat his man late in the...

    At one point, Ward (#87) beat his man late in the 4th quarter on a blitz and had Fromm dead to rights. Fromm didn't move an inch and Ward still whiffed on the tackle. That's not coaching.
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    Talent is one of the issues. How many NFL...

    Talent is one of the issues. How many NFL prospects are there on our defense? Not many and that goes back a few years. Eric Striker was a good player at OU and he was an UFA.
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    We rushed 4 because our back 7 is terrible and...

    We rushed 4 because our back 7 is terrible and can't be left on an island.
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    This here. Turn on Clemson/Bama right now and...

    This here. Turn on Clemson/Bama right now and just look at the defensive players. They look like NFL players. OU's players look like college players.

    We have DB's that barely weigh 160 lbs for...
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    OU had 8 guys in the box most of the first half...

    OU had 8 guys in the box most of the first half and still gave up big running plays because the DL got blown off the ball and the LB's and DB's can't tackle.
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    We came out with a base 4-3 and brought the SS...

    We came out with a base 4-3 and brought the SS into the Box. The entire defense was lined up within 10 yards of the LOS. Those things being said, UGA still ran downhill with ease.
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    They were stacking the box early in the game and...

    They were stacking the box early in the game and still giving up big running plays. They figured to drop back and stop the pass and couldn't do that, either.
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    Let's be honest about the defense.....

    Let's be honest about the defense. They just don't have elite talent. I'm watching Bama/Clemson right and they simply look different. They look like grown men playing pro ball and OU's defense...
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    We're a long way on that front. We were playing...

    We're a long way on that front. We were playing true freshman on defense out of necessity and not because they were so great. Murray isn't Ray Lewis.

    Our defensive talent is below average. ...
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    What gets me is the defense is smaller and faster...

    What gets me is the defense is smaller and faster because OU plays against spread teams in the Big 12.

    However, they can't stop the spread teams in the Big 12. Nor can they stop power teams.
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    Yeah, turned out that way but did any of us see...

    Yeah, turned out that way but did any of us see that coming? The previous year Ohio State lost a lot of returning starters and came into Norman and totally handled Oklahoma. This season we were...
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    What makes you think the defense is "extremely...

    What makes you think the defense is "extremely talented?" We were playing true freshman at key positions out of necessity. There are maybe 2-3 NFL prospects at best on the defense and they're late...
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    Mike Stoop sucks and our defense has been awful...

    Mike Stoop sucks and our defense has been awful for years. We can't stop spread teams and as we say tonight, can't stop pro style teams, either. We'll never be elite again until the defense...
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    Keep in mind this is the same defense that gave...

    Keep in mind this is the same defense that gave up a ton of yardage to a bad Baylor team and let a K-State team with their 3rd string QB run for 250 yards in the first half while running the same...
  45. If they're obsessed with keeping Baker in the...

    If they're obsessed with keeping Baker in the pocket they've already lost. Keep the D-line and LB's worried about Baker and OU runs for 250+ yards.

    Georgia needs to worry about stopping the run.
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    Guthrie, Oklahoma born and raised. Parents were...

    Guthrie, Oklahoma born and raised. Parents were Okie State fans and just to be a contrarian kid, I liked OU. I was born in the 70's and grew up in the 80's. I worshiped Barry, the Boz, Jamelle,...
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    It'll be this: ...

    It'll be this:

    https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23722371_10215104856039527_6418129885314874726_n.jpg?oh=f0c5bfd02b4e1c392704ba24a9ac8b30&oe=5AC984B6
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    He did not get a bum deal at OU. His offenses...

    He did not get a bum deal at OU. His offenses were very basic and he did not know how to coach a running game.
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    Exactly this. We all grow professionally in our...

    Exactly this. We all grow professionally in our jobs and learn with each step. Maybe Josh learned things after OU that he's using now at Missouri. Every OU fan should wish him nothing but the best.
  50. Forget stats. Just watch the game. OU's defense...

    Forget stats. Just watch the game. OU's defense sucks and it's an annual event. It's not entirely the talent.

    There is no gap discipline. There are bad angles all over the place. There is bad...
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