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Cool graphic. But it needs these updates:

Tulsa to the New Big East (AAC)
WKU to CUSA.

I think it will be updated after that.

Missouri, hands down, was the worst move in terms of how it impacted both parties (team and conference). The SEC gave itself a western outlier stuck in the east division and a cultural misfit. And...

Huh? Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote but the exact opposite is true. Most of those same people, a group that includes myself, are actually reasonably objective people that aren't seeing things...

It seems to me that many of the same people that were pushing for Louisville (myself included) are also banging the drum to get back to 12 before 2014.

Just saying.

And let's not make any mistake, regular season in 2012 - we were about 4 plays from being either 12-0 or 7-5.
So what does THAT tell us?
We aren't that different from our opponents. Period.
Who...

Losing 3 games in a season and not capturing the Big 12 title is one thing. And it's not great crime unto itself.
It's the manner in which it is happening.

2011 - worst regular season loss of...

The people that make those things up are much worse.

http://www.mwcboard.com/index.php?showtopic=34625&&page=1

"BYU to the Big 12 is a done deal according to my source".

Do you have a top 10 or so list for increases?

It's pretty quaint. Sort of like that KSU fan trolling on one of the other threads. Really? Who cares. If it were a ND or USC fan, then okay. It might sting.

And joking about that only shines a...

Sorry guys, this is my last reply to him.



In other words, forget the "silly" things that would actually help the OU program or Big 12 football in general and concentrate on vacation...

Agreed. We're a LONG way away from an 8-team playoff. It took us eons just to get to 4. And as you said, there is already a contract in place that the parties would have to agree to tear up. And I...

You said that a CCG "may" be a factor and the other conferences "may" not like that the Big 12 doesn't have one and you said that while Big 12 expansion "might" be in the future you said that -

...

So you've already skipped over the brand new 4 team playoff that is still more than a year away, where the parameters for selection are non-existent or muddy at best - already to an 8 team playoff in...

So 1 national title in 14 years is "hard to up" but Stoops successor will be considered a failure if he doesn't win a NC "every 4-5 years". Gotcha.

This is from that article posted by Wailer.

I don't get this.
I get that you wouldn't save the raw cost (you're still paying the contract minus what a 'bidder' would pay).
He says as much in...

Of those '02 and '03 Bama teams, one of them was pretty good (10 wins, IIRC) and the other was pretty awful (4 wins?).

I never felt sorry for Bama at that time and thought "I'm glad we're not...

You know what I mean. The difference between 'forced out' and 'fired' is only semantics.
And if that were the case, and Bob had spent 18 seasons at OU, they probably wouldn't fire him anyhow. ...

How long is too long of a drought?

Barry and Bud each coached 16 seasons at OU. The longest drought since WW2 is 17 seasons ('57-'73). That is DEFINITELY too long. I'd say if Bob can't win another...

Late-Career Osborne happened because Late-Career Switzer didn't.

Late-Career Stoops depends on what happens at Texas during that time.

I disagree but we shall see...
The real problem is how the conference games are being seen.
That's what gets you into the biggest and most important games of all.
Our OOC has been more than fine...

Aside from the redundancy of yet another Texas school, you could find 7 or 8 programs that bring as much and more than Houston. BYU, Cincy, Boise, UNM, AFA, USF, UCF, Mem...maybe even CSU, SDSU.

I...

If we add Houston, I officially ****ing give up.

Won't happen though.

Then what else do we do?

Break the GOR? Great! I'd also like a Jennifer Lawrence and Scarlett Johannsen sandwich for breakfast every morning. Let me know where the genie is so I can make those...

1) While we play five extra conference games (9 vs 8) that also means there were still five winners of those games - even in 2012. You're acting as if we could just exchange that 9th conference games...

I know you're not forgetting WVU and OSU. You must be forgetting TCU.
24-17 and they are right in the red zone at the end. That's definitely a close win. All three of those close wins were in a...

You still have those football numbers?

I'd like to see the numbers - not so much for the Big 12 - but for potential expansion candidates. The only budget numbers I found were for the whole AD.
...

Oh, I'm sure 95% of us would be totally cool with that. Including me.
But we also know it's (probably) implausible. Well, I would guess.

'The' - also makes a good point.
What else are they...

People should go back and read (if it is possible) the lovefest (mutual respect) between OU and Bama fans on the old OUInsider back during that '02-'03 series.

Bama and OU have ****loads in...

As long as those WVU ****holes are in this conference, Cincinnati has to be #1 on the list. I don't see any other way to view it. Unless you want to consider that BYU is possible and I don't know many...

There are (or will be very soon) 64 teams in the Power 5 conferences. So you'd think the top 64 budgets would be 'Power 5 worthy' to some degree.

The 10 biggest 2012 budgets outside of the Power...

Hate the SEC all you want. I certainly do.
But don't live in an alternate universe.

When people like to claim that the Big 12 is the "2nd best conference in this history of the BCS" are they...

If Barry Switzer were coaching in the SEC today he'd have reacted by laughing and then admonishing Stoops.
I miss that attitude. Put up or shut the **** up.

The rest of you can order your "Big...

I don't have a real problem with your reasoning.
But I'm still not convinced that I was wrong. I think it's a toss up, essentially.

"More with less", yes...have you ever been to Fort Worth to...

I'd didn't even want to put Mack 3rd but you got to give him some props. He won a NC. He's had a long string of success despite only winning 2 conference titles. I just think Patterson, Briles and...

1. Snyder

2. Stoops
3. Mack

4. Patterson
5. Briles
6. Gundy

7. Rhodes.

Why does it have to end Iowa/Iowa State?
Iowa will still have 3 OOC games to schedule, as ISU already does.



Full numbers (+ 7th round)

Total Draft Picks 2013
SEC 63 (4.5 per team) ...

"System QB" is such a lazy 'charge'.

Who has the closest system to OU?
Probably Texas Tech.

"System QB's" at Texas Tech drafted since they hired Leach (2000).
2003 Kliff Kingsbury 6th...

In other words, when it was more objective (computers) we did a LOT better.
And when it was more in human hands (voters) we did worse.

Subjective PERCEPTION over reality. And that's the whole...

Since I started talking about 4 playoff spots vs 2 BCS slots, I thought it would be interesting to look closer.
Maybe some of you with accounts over at shaggy can enlighten all those "everything is...

4 playoff spots is different than 2 BCS slots, but it's still going to be a hell of a lot tighter than some people acknowledge. That's a subject unto itself. Just a few things otherwise...

1) USC...

FACT:
Of the 30 teams that have made the BCS Championship Game...
Only 3 of them had a loss and came from a conference w/o a CCG game.

And only 1 of those since 2001 (the others were FSU in '98...

This is EXACTLY what I meant about the "narrative".
And that's what's going to happen in the selection committee room.
You can ****emble a seemingly diverse and 'objective' panel - and they will go...

Don't respond to me with a strawman. That's not going to work with me.

I never suggested our problems on the field were all about the conference. I said being in this conference from 2011-forward...

It's the chicken or the egg.

Did bad recruiting cause OU's poor performances of late in certain games?
Or did OU's poor performances of late in certain games cause bad recruiting?

Bad...

Bump.

It all starts in 3 days.

Get your picks in. Specific numbers (for picks) can be found in the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_Draft



That was my call 4 months ago...

All a pod is - is a scheduling arrangement.



1) You need two "divisions".
2) You need at least six institutions in each "division".
3) You have to play round-robin schedules within your...

Speculation, sure, but you are right about the 4-team pods.

I guess my point is - if there is an impending expansion move (even in the next 6-8 months) why bother to get into divisional alignment...

He's only talking about the current Sooners.
And basically, he's right.

But yeah, he's a jack****.
He said he'd retire if Jimmy Claussen wasn't a starter in the NFL. Neither happened.

The Maryland lawsuit, for all practical purposes, is irrelevant to the Big 12's prospects of expanding.

The key decision for us, and the ONLY thing that will get us back to 12, is being forced to...

The B1G agreeing on the East/West at 14...really might have put the kibosh on further East expansion.
I mean, if they add UVA and GT who is going to the West? Indiana?

UVA in the East and Kansas...