1. #13351
    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    If anything. Boren’s retirement increases the odds of OU staying in the Big 12.
    OK Baghdad 48. If you say so. lol Go West young man. I understand UT officials had an interesting visit in Los Angeles last week.
       

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    Originally Posted by ekeithly View Post
    How so... I think any kind of B1G move was going to be after Boren was no longer around. If everybody was thinking 2022, this changes nothing IMO. Might put more pressure to make the SEC, but if Boren is in control of this move then his successor will most likely carry out any plans put in place.
    Even if it's Harroz, he doesn't have the political capital that the SEC faction of the Regents do. He's still the new guy, even if he is Boren's handpicked replacement.

    Boren was able to say "I've got the bona fides and connections to get a B1G move done, just give me time". His replacement, unless it's a slam-dunk pick who no one is talking about, won't be able to say the same thing - and the pro-SEC'ers will likely be able to block that choice.
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    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Even if it's Harroz, he doesn't have the political capital that the SEC faction of the Regents do. He's still the new guy, even if he is Boren's handpicked replacement.

    Boren was able to say "I've got the bona fides and connections to get a B1G move done, just give me time". His replacement, unless it's a slam-dunk pick who no one is talking about, won't be able to say the same thing - and the pro-SEC'ers will likely be able to block that choice.
    Doesn’t that make staying in the Big 12 even more likely…?
    KREF is speculating that Joe C may take over as OU president for a limited time period with Kenny Mossman replacing him as AD.
       

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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    Doesn’t that make staying in the Big 12 even more likely…?
    KREF is speculating that Joe C may take over as OU president for a limited time period with Kenny Mossman replacing him as AD.
    IF state politics can block OU from moving to the SEC without Oklahoma State. After all, it was the same set of regents who blocked Boren from signing a GOR extension after he only got 1/3 of his demands, if rumors are true.

    Might be a good time to start trolling the flight trackers again. This one seems interesting if the B1G is a player in your mind, given the timing.
       

  5. #13355
    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    Doesn’t that make staying in the Big 12 even more likely…?
    KREF is speculating that Joe C may take over as OU president for a limited time period with Kenny Mossman replacing him as AD.
    I don't think it affects things long term, but I would certainly say any transition certainly puts the kabosh on anything happening for a year or two.
       

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    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    IF state politics can block OU from moving to the SEC without Oklahoma State. After all, it was the same set of regents who blocked Boren from signing a GOR extension after he only got 1/3 of his demands, if rumors are true.

    Might be a good time to start trolling the flight trackers again. This one seems interesting if the B1G is a player in your mind, given the timing.
    I'm not sure the Board of Regents ever, really drive the bus. At best they are back seat drivers. The pro-SEC folks on the BOR's might have more of the ear for the next guy, which may make the SEC a higher percentage option, but I'm think the market and the other conferences will have the biggest say in what ends up happening.

    As OU48A, points out in many ways this might make staying in the Big 12 more likely (it's the devil we know after all). I think it puts an end to any move in the next couple of years, which I thought was already highly improbable already. We are looking at the end of the GOR's and all the TV contracts with the various conferences that will expire roughly the same time frame.
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    Originally Posted by Redhawk View Post
    I'm not sure the Board of Regents ever, really drive the bus. At best they are back seat drivers. The pro-SEC folks on the BOR's might have more of the ear for the next guy, which may make the SEC a higher percentage option, but I'm think the market and the other conferences will have the biggest say in what ends up happening.

    As OU48A, points out in many ways this might make staying in the Big 12 more likely (it's the devil we know after all). I think it puts an end to any move in the next couple of years, which I thought was already highly improbable already. We are looking at the end of the GOR's and all the TV contracts with the various conferences that will expire roughly the same time frame.
    Certainly you're correct in the Boren era. It might not be the case for his successor, though.

    Anyway, think it's time for a new thread, if the 2pm announcement is what we think it will be.
       

  8. #13358
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?
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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?
    Yes, Cross served 24 years. Boren took over the OU job Dec 1st 1994. To pass Cross he would have to go into 2019, which is 2 years. You'd assume a notice of some kind from Boren, but 2 years is a bit much.

    I'm hoping Boren announces we have joined the AAU and are also leaving the Big 12 for the Big Ten. (one can dream)
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  10. #13360
    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?

    Exactly. It doesn't sound like a retirement announcement.
       

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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?
    Parse the words carefully.

    "Reports of his stepping down tomorrow are inaccurate" does not mean that he will not be announcing his retirement at some point in the future, either end of fall semester or '17-'18 academic year. It simply means that he will not be announcing his retirement, effective immediately, today.
       

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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?

    Doubtful....the future of the university is directly tied to the serving president. The future depicted in the statement is most likely an announcement of the next president and path leading to his retirement. A new era begins at OU once DBo steps down.
       

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    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Certainly you're correct in the Boren era. It might not be the case for his successor, though.

    Anyway, think it's time for a new thread, if the 2pm announcement is what we think it will be.
    fair point. it will be interesting to see how the dynamic of the BOR's with the OU President changes with the next guy. Powerful people like to be in charge, and for many years, Boren was unquestionably in charge and the BOR's acquiesced to Boren's leadership. They (the BORs) might think they need to lead the new guy a bit more.
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  14. #13364
    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?
    That does seem a bit arrogant for someone to say their retirement is so important to the future of the university, unless he's announcing his replacement.

    Is there stadium expansion news due, or a big donation?
       

  15. #13365
    Originally Posted by Redhawk View Post
    Yes, Cross served 24 years. Boren took over the OU job Dec 1st 1994. To pass Cross he would have to go into 2019, which is 2 years. You'd assume a notice of some kind from Boren, but 2 years is a bit much.

    I'm hoping Boren announces we have joined the AAU and are also leaving the Big 12 for the Big Ten. (one can dream)
    There are reports of a new mixed use (retail/residential) development near the old airport (Max Westheimer). Some speculation that it might also house a venue for OU basketball. Doubt that rises to this level but it's possible.

    BTW, I'd be happy with your speculation. (I'm fascinated when heads explode.)
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  16. #13366
    Originally Posted by Redhawk View Post
    Yes, Cross served 24 years. Boren took over the OU job Dec 1st 1994. To pass Cross he would have to go into 2019, which is 2 years. You'd assume a notice of some kind from Boren, but 2 years is a bit much.

    I'm hoping Boren announces we have joined the AAU and are also leaving the Big 12 for the Big Ten. (one can dream)
    We have until 2... until then I going dream that the flight from Chicago is Delany to offer by hand an invitation to the Big 10 and DBo retirement was a smoke screen to keep it from leaking. Then my dreams will be crushed.
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  17. #13367
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Parse the words carefully.

    "Reports of his stepping down tomorrow are inaccurate" does not mean that he will not be announcing his retirement at some point in the future, either end of fall semester or '17-'18 academic year. It simply means that he will not be announcing his retirement, effective immediately, today.
    I've been an expert in parsing the words of official statements since I learned the meaning of "Is" so I'll admit that is a possibility.
    I also can see where Boren's announcement might not concern his retirement at all but be something far greater. That would also be consistent with the statement by the press secretary.
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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    I've been an expert in parsing the words of official statements since I learned the meaning of "Is" so I'll admit that is a possibility.
    I also can see where Boren's announcement might not concern his retirement at all but be something far greater. That would also be consistent with the statement by the press secretary.
    Sure, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
       

  19. #13369
    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    If anything. Boren’s retirement increases the odds of OU staying in the Big 12.
    I'm hearing, from a really good source, that this opens up the Pac 12 option again. And it might be the most likely option. When I asked if the SEC opened up, he laughed.
       

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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    I've been an expert in parsing the words of official statements since I learned the meaning of "Is" so I'll admit that is a possibility.
    I also can see where Boren's announcement might not concern his retirement at all but be something far greater. That would also be consistent with the statement by the press secretary.
    If he's not announcing his retirement today, it's coming very soon.
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    Originally Posted by ekeithly View Post
    We have until 2... until then I going dream that the flight from Chicago is Delany to offer by hand an invitation to the Big 10 and DBo retirement was a smoke screen to keep it from leaking. Then my dreams will be crushed.
    LOL You’re killing me LOL
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    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing, from a really good source, that this opens up the Pac 12 option again. And it might be the most likely option. When I asked if the SEC opened up, he laughed.
    That would suck IMHO
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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    Something bothering me here.
    Boren said: "Please join me at 2:00 p.m. today at Holmberg Hall. I will be making an important announcement about the future of the university. -DBo"
    His press secretary said the reports of Boren retiring were "inaccurate".

    It would seem a bit presumptuous for Boren to link his retirement to the future of the university.

    This announcement could be something entirely different than his retirement.
    Boren has stated he wants to serve as long as George Cross.
    Doesn't he need another couple of years to do that?
    The president stepping down and announcing plans for his replacement would be a pretty important thing for the future of the university.
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  24. #13374
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Sure, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
    So what will we name the new thread.
    I'm still partial to "Whistling Past the Graveyard."
    Of course if Boren is announcing his retirement, we might choose "Flowers on the Wall."
    Then if it is a new conference, we could go with "Careful What You Ask For.", "Exploding Heads.", or, maybe "Free At Last, Free At Last."
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    Originally Posted by ekeithly View Post
    We have until 2... until then I going dream that the flight from Chicago is Delany to offer by hand an invitation to the Big 10 and DBo retirement was a smoke screen to keep it from leaking. Then my dreams will be crushed.
    Not a huge fan of moving to the Big 10 as currently configured. Before they added Maryland and Rutgers it would have been more attractive.

    If rumors of his retirement came out yesterday, and he calls a press conference for today, I'd be quite surprised if the press conference didn't involve his retirement (likely effective at the end of the school year or something).
       

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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    So what will we name the new thread.
    I'm still partial to "Whistling Past the Graveyard."
    Of course if Boren is announcing his retirement, we might choose "Flowers on the Wall."
    Then if it is a new conference, we could go with "Careful What You Ask For.", "Exploding Heads.", or, maybe "Free At Last, Free At Last."
    A Whole New World
       

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    Originally Posted by MI Sooner View Post
    Not a huge fan of moving to the Big 10 as currently configured. Before they added Maryland and Rutgers it would have been more attractive.

    If rumors of his retirement came out yesterday, and he calls a press conference for today, I'd be quite surprised if the press conference didn't involve his retirement (likely effective at the end of the school year or something).
    Those that heard there would be a press conference to address the future of the university might just have assumed it was retirement. IOW, rumors of a press conference may have preceded retirement speculation.
       

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    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing, from a really good source, that this opens up the Pac 12 option again. And it might be the most likely option. When I asked if the SEC opened up, he laughed.
    Kick Baylor out, Texoma 4 to PAC, WVU to ACC, KU and ISU to B1G - gets the job done most easily, you'd have to think. Sucks for KSU and TCU, though.
       

  29. #13379
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    A Whole New World
    I'll support that. "A Whole New World" works for Boren's retirement or any other big announcement.
       

  30. #13380
    Originally Posted by MI Sooner View Post
    Not a huge fan of moving to the Big 10 as currently configured. Before they added Maryland and Rutgers it would have been more attractive.

    If rumors of his retirement came out yesterday, and he calls a press conference for today, I'd be quite surprised if the press conference didn't involve his retirement (likely effective at the end of the school year or something).
    It was a joke...
       

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    Originally Posted by RocketCitySooner View Post
    So what will we name the new thread.
    I'm still partial to "Whistling Past the Graveyard."
    Of course if Boren is announcing his retirement, we might choose "Flowers on the Wall."
    Then if it is a new conference, we could go with "Careful What You Ask For.", "Exploding Heads.", or, maybe "Free At Last, Free At Last."
    If we leave osu and the other Big 12 little brothers behind its no doubt "Free At Last, Free At Last."

    I have been singing “We shall overcome”….. “Someday” for way too long
       

  32. #13382
    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing, from a really good source, that this opens up the Pac 12 option again. And it might be the most likely option. When I asked if the SEC opened up, he laughed.
    That is not good. I would rather us go to the B1G over the PAC.
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  33. #13383
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Kick Baylor out, Texoma 4 to PAC, WVU to ACC, KU and ISU to B1G - gets the job done most easily, you'd have to think. Sucks for KSU and TCU, though.
    I'm hearing KU is involved. That makes it a bit more difficult, though, so I don't think there's any way anything is close at this point. Seems like OU and Texas likely want different things again.....
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  34. #13384
    Originally Posted by MrQster View Post
    That is not good. I would rather us go to the B1G over the PAC.
    So would I.
       

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    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing KU is involved. That makes it a bit more difficult, though, so I don't think there's any way anything is close at this point. Seems like OU and Texas likely want different things again.....
    The BMD Citation jet to and from Chicago real quick becomes curiouser and curiouser...
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    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    The BMD Citation jet to and from Chicago real quick becomes curiouser and curiouser...
    It could be a wife of a BMD who needed to pick up a new dress or some such. This is not an unusual type of event among certain very wealthy people.
       

  38. #13388
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    Kick Baylor out, Texoma 4 to PAC, WVU to ACC, KU and ISU to B1G - gets the job done most easily, you'd have to think. Sucks for KSU and TCU, though.
    What if...

    PAC:
    Kansas #13
    Oklahoma #14
    Texas #15
    Texas Tech #16

    B1G:
    Missouri #15
    Connecticut #16

    SEC:
    Oklahoma State #14
    TCU #15
    West Virginia #16

    ACC:
    Notre Dame (full member) #15
    Navy (football) / Georgetown (olympics) #16
       

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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    It could be a wife of a BMD who needed to pick up a new dress or some such. This is not an unusual type of event among certain very wealthy people.
    Sure - explains the Dallas trip last week - but why go to ORD when Midway is the preferred option for private jets if you're headed to the Loop? On the other hand, B1G headquarters are literally next to O'Hare.

    Note - I'm not saying any sort of agreement was made. If anything, it might just have been Boren doing professional courtesy and personally announcing to Delany and crew that he would be retiring. It's still fascinating, though.
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  40. #13390
    People! It is not Tuesday, therefore it cannot be CR related, Sheesh.
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  41. #13391
    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing, from a really good source, that this opens up the Pac 12 option again. And it might be the most likely option. When I asked if the SEC opened up, he laughed.
    PAC 12 South

    OU
    UT
    USC
    UCLA
    Colorado
    AZ
    ASU

    OU and UT playing USC every year would be a Primetime hit. Playing a game in LA every year would be an asset for LR's recruiting. Every other year OU fans would be guaranteed one Primetime game in Norman.
       

  42. #13392
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    PAC 12 South

    OU
    UT
    USC
    UCLA
    Colorado
    AZ
    ASU

    OU and UT playing USC every year would be a Primetime hit. Playing a game in LA every year would be an asset for LR's recruiting. Every other year OU fans would be guaranteed one Primetime game in Norman.
    A championship game rotation that includes the new stadium in Vegas would be glorious.
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    Originally Posted by kopp0e View Post
    What if...

    PAC:
    Kansas #13
    Oklahoma #14
    Texas #15
    Texas Tech #16

    B1G:
    Missouri #15
    Connecticut #16

    SEC:
    Oklahoma State #14
    TCU #15
    West Virginia #16

    ACC:
    Notre Dame (full member) #15
    Navy (football) / Georgetown (olympics) #16
    Really, really need a "DON'T LIKE" button.
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  44. #13394
    Originally Posted by IndySooner View Post
    I'm hearing KU is involved. That makes it a bit more difficult, though, so I don't think there's any way anything is close at this point. Seems like OU and Texas likely want different things again.....
    Two options here if the PAC is now a serious leader in gaining both OU & UT...

    #1) PAC adds 4 in:
    KU / OU / UT / TT

    #2) PAC adds 6 in:
    KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT / TCU
    or
    ISU / KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT
    or
    KU / KSU / OU / OSU / UT / TT
    or
    OU / OSU / UT / TT / TCU / Rice
    or
    KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT / Tulane

    The 6 member setup gives various options as it allows the PAC to keep it's current north & south divisions while adding 6 members to the CTZ, thus allowing OU & UT their old regional rivals...
       

  45. #13395
    Originally Posted by NM Jayhawk View Post
    People! It is not Tuesday, therefore it cannot be CR related, Sheesh.
    But it got leaked on a Tuesday... Am I right..?
       

  46. #13396
    Originally Posted by Val on the Getner View Post
    The BMD Citation jet to and from Chicago real quick becomes curiouser and curiouser...
    Hint. Track Jerry's jet.
       

  47. #13397
    Originally Posted by kopp0e View Post
    Two options here if the PAC is now a serious leader in gaining both OU & UT...

    #1) PAC adds 4 in:
    KU / OU / UT / TT

    #2) PAC adds 6 in:
    KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT / TCU
    or
    ISU / KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT
    or
    KU / KSU / OU / OSU / UT / TT
    or
    OU / OSU / UT / TT / TCU / Rice
    or
    KU / OU / OSU / UT / TT / Tulane

    The 6 member setup gives various options as it allows the PAC to keep it's current north & south divisions while adding 6 members to the CTZ, thus allowing OU & UT their old regional rivals...
    Oh, I get it now. Boren's big announcement is that California has removed the travel ban.
       

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