Anyone can win a national championship. OU made history this year!
This is the list of the voters that put USC up to #3. Looks like most of them had them ranked at #8 or 9 the previous poll. The two jokers that had them at #4 on December 4th moved them up to 3.
Here's some other odd voters:
Bill Landis of the Cleveland Plain Dealer has USC at 3 and Penn State at 4--both 3 loss teams....and he has OU at #10 behind 5 - 3 loss teams!
Ed Johnson of the Albuquerque Journal has Penn State at 4 and tOSU at 8.
Eric Hansen of the South Bend Tribune had OU at #9 going into bowl season....and had OU at #9 after bowl season.
Josh Kendall of The State (Columbia, SC) had OU at #8 going into bowl season...and ranked OU #9 after bowl season. He also had Penn State at #2 going into bowl season and dropped them down to #4.
Keith Sargeant of Asbury Park Press in NJ, Kept OU at #7 for both votes. He had tOSU at #2 going into bowl season, and dropped them to #5. Penn State at 4, Michigan at 9 and Wisky at 10. Love the Big 10 much?
Matt McCoy of a tv station in Columbus had Auburn at #15 going into bowl season, dropped them out of the rankings after. Maybe why he only moved OU from #7 to #6. I guess if we would have won a 50 point a team shootout like USC it would have justified moving us up 5 place like he did with USC. Instead we dominate them so they must not be any good, so we don't move.
In all fairness, dominating an 8-4 team that is ranked #14 (and BEHIND you in the rankings) is not the same thing as beating, albeit barely, an 11-2, 5th ranked, Conference champion that is 4 spots ABOVE you.
It's really ironic to me when perception goes against you for blowing a team out. Back in 2008 when TTU was undefeated and ranked #1 and we beat them like a drum, one of UT's arguments for why they should be in the CCG was that clearly TTU isn't any good since OU beat them so bad. The controversy would've been actually lessened if we'd only beaten them by a field goal. Bizarre.
How many fans on here stated before the game, and rightfully so, that it was lose lose? Why did they say that? Because beating an 8-4 team, ANY 8-4 team is not usually deemed as a great accomplishment. It could have been ANY team with a mediocre helmet, perception wise, and the results would still be the same. For example, beating an 8-4 Michigan (although I would argue their helmet is not mediocre, especially right now) team, would have had the same results.
OU did what it was supposed to do. They beat a lower ranked team than themselves. Good win, especially in the manner in which they did it. But don't blame the media because they didn't see it as some huge accomplishment. Most OU fans BEFORE the game saw it for what it truly was, so even the "perception" was one that came from the fans themselves.
Deep down I didn't think OU would win..So I couldn't care less what voters think after the game
If you'll notice, my criteria was based on who won their bowl matchups in MAJOR bowls and how they were playing at the end of the year. I don't care about the others. I think at the end of the year, I think that's the most important. The only reason I put Bama at 5 is because they lost their bowl game and I wasn't that impressed with their offense in either playoff game.
I think Washington is somewhat of a sham.
And I wouldn't have a problem mixing all of those between 2-4 up. I just, as I've stated earlier, give USC credit for their resume as of late.
That's just stupid. Bama played in the Championship game and barely lost, they are #2. Clemson kicked the shit out of the program that kicked the shit out of us.... they are obviously #1. Washington and OSU should be 3 or 4, take your pick. OU #5, and IDGAF about the rest...
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But you were impressed with USC's defense??? Just because USC beat your team, doesn't elevate them to #3. No way you should have them rated over OU unless you are a ND homer. If their early season losses don't can't, neither do ours. Either way, we should be ranked ahead of them...
EDIT: OBTW, in that 9 game magical win streak by USC, only 3 of the 9 teams had a winning record and the overall win-loss record was 48-56... #3 my ass...
Last edited by HartRod; January 11th, 2017 at 02:56 PM.
When the LA teams play it's at worst a 50-50 split. They are never outnumbered terribly.
the difference is that the LA teams are playing in town. No travel, much more comfortable with their surroundings. Most team members have always played in the Rose Bowl before. The weather is always conducive to their style of play.
And as one former OU All American told me about OU-Texas. "Deep down you know you are playing Texas in Texas. It matters." The B1g schools know they are playing the SoCal schools in their back yard (and in the case of UCLA, their home field. It matters.
I like the idea that the teams I chose won their games Clemson beat #2 (now), FSU beat # 10 (now) Michigan, USC beat #7 (now), OU beat #24 (now) and Bama lost.
Maybe you're right, maybe tOSU should be up higher up. but I would like to reward the teams that won games against highly ranked teams. The only one getting benefit from me in that is OU who didn't beat a top 10 team so maybe tOSU should get their spot?
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oSu and WV were both ranked in the top 10 when we beat their a$$....
USC's win streak: ONLY 3 of the 9 teams had a winning record and the overall win-loss record was 48-56
PSU gave that game away and oSu pounded the Colorado team that SC barely beat by 4 pts...
OU > USC this year....
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3. Ohio st.
I think Clemson, Alabama, ohio st, and Washington would beat Auburn in a bowl game now. Two of those teams did beat Auburn already. I leave ohio st ahead of OU since they played at OU and dominated. Yeah OU might beat them now, but I go off of what happened when they played since there is no opportunity for OU to play them now. I won't penalize ohio st and washington for losing their playoff games as I think they win their bowl games if not in the playoffs facing clemson and Alabama.
But as I said, it's all subjective. People use different criteria and I'm cool with that.
My whole point has been nothing but, I don't understand the "outrage" concerning USC. I hate USC. But they beat 3 top ranked teams at the end of the year and that should count for something (and yes, I know they have one more loss than the other teams but I think we can all agree that they're a different team now with a different QB).
I completely agree that they are a different team with the new QB, but you can't ignore USC's full resume, then judge OU on its full body of work
Losses were Bama, Clemson, A&M and Georgia.....they had boatloads of injuries or might have beaten A&M and Georgia. Until Bowl season, Auburn was widely considered the second best team in the SEC.
It was a damn fine win against a healthy Auburn team. Anyone who argues it wasnt is a biased ****.
Put your crimson colored glasses on so you can see things more clearly.
Anyone with eyeballs could see that Auburn's offense was terrible. That's what I don't get about some fans. Out of one side of their mouths they talk about how terrible the offenses of the SEC are and then you play one of the WORST of those offenses and want to talk about what a great win it was.
Again if some team like Texas, or more precisely, a team out side the Big 12, played an 8-4 team from another conference that was second in that conference, nobody would say anything.
Heck, ND beat a 8-4 LSU in 2014 playing two different QB's. I don't remember being all pumped about that one. Why? Because they were 8-4!!! Good win and a great way to end a season, but hardly something to boast about.
If USC beat 8-4 Auburn that had an incompetent QB and was unable to score, you'd be singing a different tune.
Again, good win. Great way to end the season.
And I don't really have an "issue", I've already noted that I'm giving OU a pass for those losses anyway. But if anyone deserves a pass its the team playing with a different QB that had better WINS not losses. Beating the #5, 10-2, conference champion is better than beating #14, 8-4, second place team. Take the names off the helmets and you would have to agree.
im fine with us being at 5. I hate usc with a passion but sure as hell wouldn't want to play them and watch them light up mike and our secondary. so I can't really be pissed that they are ahead of us.
And I could claim that OU besides that one great game hasn't beaten an OOC team, that has FINISHED in the top 10, (maybe top 20 as Tenn, FSU, ND 2013, Bama, Miami, etc didn't finish ranked or in the 20-25 range) in a decade. They haven't even scored more than 24 (about half of what they score in conference...what does that tell you?) points in regulation against an OOC team that finsished in the top 10 in a decade, ala, ND 2012 (13 pts), TAM, 2013 (13 pts), TENN (not a top 10 team but an OOC opponent that still held OU to 17 points in regulationi despite finishing unranked), Clemson 2015 (6 pts), Clemson 2016 (17 pts), Houston 2016 (17 points in meaningful minutes), tOSU 2016 (17pts). You see the pattern? If you can't let me explain it: historically over at least the past 10 years, when OU plays an OOC team that finished the season in the top 10 (maybe even top 15) they struggle to even score, much less win.
So, with that knowledge, being that USC and PSU both finished in the top 10 this year and are not in the Big 12 (where OU generally scores about 40 points a game for some unknown reason), I'd go out on a limb and say that OU MIGHT struggle against them based on past FACTS and HISTORY. I'd rather put my money on that than your ridiculous comparative scores and hypotheticals.
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Feel free to go ahead and insert negative ND comment here as I know you don't have any facts to refute anything I've said.
P.S. And just a reminder, it's cool to "always strive for titles" (as if every team isn't doing that), but it will take a team that can score more than 17 points against a top 10 team to do that. Give me a shout when that happens.
- PAC-12 was very bad. Colorado's turn around had a lot to do with how bad. Exposed in bowl games
- Did not win said bad conference; didn't even win division of said bad conference.
- B1G teams were bad. Also exposed in bowl games, yet USC's only quality wins are Washington and Penn State.
I don't think they are a bad team, and definitely should be in the top 5 somewhere, but those are the glaring problems with their resume.
USC ranked at #3 by the AP (media) shows why college football needs and will continue to need a playoff.
wow, some of you really are too stupid to use this board.