He doesn't realize you have to pay final four type money to get past the ISU, TT, KSU level. If you keep paying at or below that level guess what happens?
They have the biggest inferiority complex I think I've ever seen! Just sad!
illinois may have more money to spend on a basketball coach than osu....but their results over the past 15 years aren't vastly different...
And speaking of candidates for OSU. I don't understand the love affair OSU fans have for Doug Gotlieb. As point guard for OSU, he made Big XII Newcomer of Year as a transfer. He was a 2-time Big XII Honorable Mention; not First Team or Second Team but Honorable Mention. Led the team deep in the tournament and can be sort of blamed for OSU not winning a national title. Why? As point guard, and the OSU all time leader in Assists, Gotlieb made free throws in the low 40% range. With the game on the line, he handled the ball. All the opponent had to do was immediately foul Doug to stop the clock. He would miss both free throws, the opponent could score and immediately foul Doug. I recall the NCAA tv coverage and the announcers saying, "he is the worst free throw shooter in the nation; just foul him and you can win the game." One thing good about Doug, it proves OSU believes in second chances. Google Gotlieb at Notre Dame. He does have coaching experience. When he left Notre Dame, he went to a community college in California. Sat out as a redshirt player but served as an assistant coach.
There are plenty of mid-major coaches out there who got their team into the tournament and looked respectable in losing to a top tier seed or even won in the first round.
it was k-state's bruce weber who won two outright titles and took illinois to the final four. but his success was short lived.
Pistols Firing more or less nails it.
t was somewhat simple to retrieve fans and fill GIA in 2017 after the Travis Ford era. Now? It’s going to be difficult, and you have three options.
Pay big bucks to a proven name.
Get a more unproven coach and repeat the Underwood formula.
Hire Doug Gottlieb.
I don’t think Holder wants to make the splash (financially) a proven name would offer, but I’m not sure he’ll be able to sell No. 2. Does that leave No. 3 as the most realistic choice? It sells itself and Gottlieb comes cheap. That sounds like a dream scenario for Holder. He needs the first and wants the second.
But at the end of the day, I’m not sure if he’ll really be able to pull that trigger.
if i were holder.....i'd see what kind of interest there is...
if the phone doesn't ring.....i'd take a chance on doug....
it's a gamble ....but if he is successful....he'll be there forever....and fan's won't blame him too much if doug fails...
he'll likely have jim dickey on his staff as an assistant to hold his hand for a few years...
wonder what other coaches would want to work for him...
underwood isn't proven or big name and he wanted 3 mil...
he'll try to get the next hot mid major for cheap (hurly).....or someone like the northwestern coach....
or......maybe he'll go after someone like crean if he could get him for 2-2.5 mil
then he drops down to dickey or doug for 1-2 mil...
It's gotta be Gotdweeb at this point. I'm not sure a coach they should go after would even listen at this point.
The real problem is the town of Stillwater and I'm not just saying that because it's Okie State. Stillwater in on par with Starkville and Pullman the worst towns of any athletic program in a major conference. Most college towns are small to mid sized by their nature but those three towns are small towns that are rural outposts. They're not close to anything at all. No commercial air service and the shopping in town is relegated to strip malls and Walmarts.
Last time I was in Stillwater is just mid tier chain restaurants and strip malls and you're an hour and a half minimum to anything and those aren't big cities, either. Don't look at the job from the perspective of athletics. Look at it from the perspective of a coach and his family who are making millions of dollars per year. You think the wives want to like in Stillwater? God no. You're shopping with rednecks and it's not like you can hop a quick flight to someplace better for the weekend. You're driving 2+ hours and then it's only a 2nd or 3rd tier airport.
Hiring Gottlieb would be the ultimate white flag and admitting that the only people who want to coach the two major sports are people who used to play there. No one else with options wants to move there.
Good luck filling that job when Gundy leaves......
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Doug seems gifted in the full of shit dept so he just may have a shot.
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Not to mention most of what he said isn't true. They fly commercial out of Stillwater now. Free parking. No waiting.
And it's an hour to downtown okc or Tulsa. So it's 25 mins further than where I live in north Edmond.
And there's plenty of shopping beyond Walmart. That's stupid. It's a 50,000 population, college town. However, compared to Norman (pop 120K) Stw has at least 50% fewer strip malls. I think it's the same basic ratio though.
A personality like Doug Gotlieb, put in charge, will wear people thin by the end of 2 years and osu officials probably know this.
How bad will those in charge at osu look when things are not going well if they hire a coach with almost no coaching experience…..
After everything else that’s occurred in recent years at osu it seems like they could be risking their own jobs.
maybe holder can find someone who is just looking for a change of scenery/new start ......
i don't think many osu fans will blame holder if he gives doug a shot and it doesn't work out.......everyone understands the risk..
Rodney Terry, at Fresno St. Longtime Rick Barnes asst at UT. From TX, coached in TX.
At Fresno, CBI runner up 4 years ago. NCAA last year, NIT this year.
Not saying he's Larry Brown or even Hubie Brown but he's more accomplished than Doug.
Or that I looked very hard to find someone to fit the region. Literally about 5 minutes.
I just think Boo Blake when I think of "get the safe local guy". Not just Mike Gundy.
Or Chris Mullin. Anyone forget he's at his alma mater after no coaching experience? Exactly. They are shit just after Lavin did okay.
Steve Lavin 4 post seasons in 5 years at St Johns, including 2 NCAAs. 60% win pct.
Chris Mullin 22-43 so far in his two years. And he had tons of NBA experience
I question if he wants to coach so bad why didn't he go get a job coaching?
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Feel free to use that one in a future interview, especially if Dougie gets the job.
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Coaches take grad assistant jobs for no pay. Assistant coaching positions where they have to teach classes or perform other duties to make enough to meet their needs. Some coaches will take positions like film coordinator in lieu of a coaching position to get their foot in the door.
So I don't think Doug deserves a shot without putting the work in that others work, sometimes their whole lives, to get.
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