Cherokee Nation sues opiod wholesalers, retailers

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    Big business can systematically screw people and individual people can be greedy. Both things can be true.

    Also this is a copy cat suit from WV: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.87d6725e5ad8

    In West Virginia: "Between 2007 and 2012, drug distribution companies shipped 780 million doses of opioids to West Virginia, and 1,728 overdose deaths occurred, according to an investigation by the Charleston Gazette-Mail. Cabell County, in the heart of the state, was flooded with nearly 40 million tablets of painkillers in that time. With a population of 96,000, that’s more than 400 pills for every adult and child."
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    Originally Posted by ClosetSoonerFan View Post
    Big business can systematically screw people and individual people can be greedy. Both things can be true.

    Also this is a copy cat suit from WV: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.87d6725e5ad8

    In West Virginia: "Between 2007 and 2012, drug distribution companies shipped 780 million doses of opioids to West Virginia, and 1,728 overdose deaths occurred, according to an investigation by the Charleston Gazette-Mail. Cabell County, in the heart of the state, was flooded with nearly 40 million tablets of painkillers in that time. With a population of 96,000, that’s more than 400 pills for every adult and child."
    Here's another example where distributors are culpable. If you are shipping far more of a dangerous product into an area than could possibly be used for legitimate purposes, you know exactly what is happening and you should bear responsibility for the reasonably foreseeable consequences.

  3. #53
    Well, looks like Ben E Keith, Sysco and a lot of food service folks are in some serious shit.

    I mean, they gotta know where they are dropping off more food than should be going to locations based on population and causing an obesity epidemic.
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    Originally Posted by sperry View Post
    Here's another example where distributors are culpable. If you are shipping far more of a dangerous product into an area than could possibly be used for legitimate purposes, you know exactly what is happening and you should bear responsibility for the reasonably foreseeable consequences.
    And I wouldn't have commented anything had the original story indicated something even remotely close to that . . . instead of this . . .

    "The tribe argues the companies regularly turn a "blind eye" to opioid prescriptions that would require further investigation before pills are dispensed. The lawsuit also alleges the companies have pursued profits instead of trying to reduce opioid-related addition that has taken the lives of hundreds of Cherokee citizens and cost the tribe hundreds of millions of dollars in health care costs."

    Are distributors supposed to check population data before they ship now? Or should doctors and various clinics actually do some additional diligence in making sure folks aren't just pill shopping?

    Are we expected to then start going after ammunition manufacturers for filling orders for thousands and thousands of rounds for distributors/resellers? I mean, how much ammo does one person need?

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    Originally Posted by Hogarita View Post
    Well, looks like Ben E Keith, Sysco and a lot of food service folks are in some serious shit.

    I mean, they gotta know where they are dropping off more food than should be going to locations based on population and causing an obesity epidemic.
    Don't leave out those silverware manufacturers...!!!

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    Cherokee Nation sues opiod wholesalers, retailers

    Originally Posted by BobBarker View Post
    Yes that also happens very frequently. Patient gets rx for #120 every month and takes #30 and sells the rest.
    Then claims the rest were stolen and files a police report so they can get another script.


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  8. #58
    I tell them the pills are just like $100 bills. No one is going to replace those for you either.

  9. #59
    They better add the alcohol manufacturers, distributors, and retailers to the lawsuit since the Cherokees (and Native Americans as a whole) have well-documented problems with fire water alcohol.

    And I hope they are ready to get sued by those that have lost a shitload of money and ruined their lives gambling away their savings at Cherokee casinos, because I'm damn sure the Cherokees haven't done enough to investigate which patrons can and can't afford to lose money on their rigged games. What a bunch of ****ing hypocrites.
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    [QUOTE=BobBarker;3332123]. 4. He is deep into opioid prescribing and is making a ton of money off of his in office confirmatory testing.

    I am in the lab industry and I am a HUGE proponent of physicians offices doing their own lab testing due to the extremely low quality of work done at Oklahoma's largest reference labs. However pain clinics in my mind shouldn't do their own confirmatory testing. Just seems unethical and ripe for corruption.

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    Originally Posted by SoonerDevil View Post
    They better add the alcohol manufacturers, distributors, and retailers to the lawsuit since the Cherokees (and Native Americans as a whole) have well-documented problems with fire water alcohol.

    And I hope they are ready to get sued by those that have lost a shitload of money and ruined their lives gambling away their savings at Cherokee casinos, because I'm damn sure the Cherokees haven't done enough to investigate which patrons can and can't afford to lose money on their rigged games. What a bunch of ****ing hypocrites.
    What's even worse . . . they count me as a member and thousands of others who live outside of their precious 14 counties in NE Oklahoma. We can't get much direct assistance from them, but they use us to get their federal dollars.

    Drives me crazy.

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    I've always wondered if native people hated that song. . .

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    Originally Posted by ClosetSoonerFan View Post
    I've always wondered if native people hated that song. . .
    They're too drunk or high to care...
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    Originally Posted by mexican/ninja View Post
    What happened to personal responsibility? Should doctors overprescribe? Of course not. But maybe the people popping all the pills should, ya know, stop......Another reason MJ should be allowed to be prescribed in OK....
    I take Ibuprofen when I'm in pain. 4 of them works better than any morphine or derivative ever thought about working. Problem is, they don't get you high. People wanna get high. That's really more important than pain relief. Copping that buzz. So, for that reason? Prescribe weed. It's much less harmful than opioids, and chewing gum works just as good on pain. I mean after the first couple doses of opioids. By day 2-3 on them? Pain ain't touched.

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    Originally Posted by sperry View Post
    Lol. You realize this stuff is highly physically and mentally addicting.
    This. Marijuana is physically addictive. MJ addicts often go through terrible and life threatening withdrawals that kick in within hours of the last J. MJ addicts have been known to rob, women resort to prostitution and basically go to any lengths to feed their addiction and avoid the withdrawals that come with MJ addiction.

    This doesn't even mention how reefer addicts often go insane and commit murder while under marijuana induced insanity. If that's not enough, it's been proven that MJ is the crop that has purchased ISIS tanks and built the Kim regime in North Korea.

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    Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    What's even worse . . . they count me as a member and thousands of others who live outside of their precious 14 counties in NE Oklahoma. We can't get much direct assistance from them, but they use us to get their federal dollars.

    Drives me crazy.
    If you're not in their jurisdiction, they're not allowed to count you for ihs, ccdf, epa, or any other federal funding. They do it by **** population by jurisdiction so two tribes don't count the same person.

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    Originally Posted by eightisgreat View Post
    Man there are some ignorant, inbred, racist motherfuckers on this board. The funny thing is, I am betting the abuse is coming from predominately white people (meaning their big toe is Cherokee) who aren't really Cherokee at all and are simply taking advantage of the 'handouts' they get from the Cherokee Nation.

    The Cherokee Nation is doing quite well and is probably indirectly responsible for many of the jobs you ****s have (those of you that work).

    Maybe, just maybe there is something to this? I mean we all know pharmaceutical companies are some of the most righteous out there, right?
    you're always a ****ing idiot, but no one on this planet is responsible for my job except me. (my momma gets some credit pushing and eating meat and veggies)

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    Originally Posted by DIB View Post
    They should. Everyone on LT is a multimillionaire (don't be poor) or billionaire.
    Flush with pesos!

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    Originally Posted by S00nerJay View Post
    If you're not in their jurisdiction, they're not allowed to count you for ihs, ccdf, epa, or any other federal funding. They do it by **** population by jurisdiction so two tribes don't count the same person.
    There's tribal membership, IHS user population . . . and then there is purchased/referred care delivery areas. Unless you're participating in the third there is no two tribes counting the same person. And even when they do it is for two different purposes.

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    Originally Posted by SoCaliSooner View Post
    They're too drunk or high to care...
    Oh yeah . . . well, well . . . you're too short.


    So there.

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    Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    There's tribal membership, IHS user population . . . and then there is purchased/referred care delivery areas. Unless you're participating in the third there is no two tribes counting the same person. And even when they do it is for two different purposes.


    That is my point exactly. Cherokees aren't getting much federal funding for you. The biggest federal funding tribes receive is for IHS and BIA grants. The BIA grant is very small as the federal government is, with good reason, expecting tribes to fund their own governments. IHS and child programs are done by Native American (not tribal) population within their jurisdiction. I've had to do a couple of grant proposals for a tribe that got dinged because they contracted a previous grant writer was counting the population within their jurisdiction and the members living outside of that jurisdiction.


    Problem was, another tribe was already receiving funding for those members. Tribe ended up having to pay back over 100,000 and got a stern warning that basically said that failure to comply with federal regulations would see their federal funding revoked.

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    Just in case anyone wants to read the Petition

    Suit alleges that the distribution chain has certain responsibilities that they disregarded in order to make more money. These responsibilities include both what reasonable people would do as well as additional duties under the Controlled Substances Act.

    Nothing frivolous about it. To the contrary, if the alleged facts are true, this is pretty heinous.

    The Petition contains allegations that Defendant McKesson has already paid millions in fines for their failure to live up to statutory duties (13 M in 2008 and 150 M in early 2017). They were supposed to fix their system and, it is alleged, have not. Another corp. defendant lost the ability to do business for their failures. Suit alleges that pharm techs have been disciplined by the state without effect, as well.

    P.S. Todd Hembree isn't an idiot.
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    Lol...But the Indians will go right along and kill people with tobacco....

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    Originally Posted by Breadburner View Post
    Lol...But the Indians will go right along and kill people with tobacco....
    Lawton has a Kiyou smoke shop. I read it as Kiilyou
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    Originally Posted by Breadburner View Post
    Lol...But the Indians will go right along and kill people with tobacco....
    Meh. A third of okies are obese fat bodies while the majority of the others are just regular fat asses. Selling tobacco is no worse than selling bacon or twinkles.

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    Originally Posted by smot poker View Post
    Meh. A third of okies are obese fat bodies while the majority of the others are just regular fat asses. Selling tobacco is no worse than selling bacon or twinkles.
    Lol...Ok champ...

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    Easy solution...legalize everything. Shouldn't it be up to the individual if he/she wants to ingest MJ or anti-freeze? Too many regulations....

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    Originally Posted by S00nerJay View Post
    That is my point exactly. Cherokees aren't getting much federal funding for you.
    I didn't assign a dollar figure to it . . . my point was they give preference to folks in those counties. I'm still eligible to go to WW Hastings or one of their other facilities if needed, and I can still go to their outpatient clinics for care. Those visit count towards their user population whether I live in one of the 14 counties or not. The user pop is how IHS provides their budget to the contracted/compacted tribal programs.

    The biggest federal funding tribes receive is for IHS and BIA grants. The BIA grant is very small as the federal government is, with good reason, expecting tribes to fund their own governments.
    The tribes aren't expected to fund anything with IHS money except the healthcare programs they've assumed control of from the Federal government. Basically they get the money and then do what they want with their healthcare programs. Couldn't tell you what they do with their BIA money.

    IHS and child programs are done by Native American (not tribal) population within their jurisdiction. I've had to do a couple of grant proposals for a tribe that got dinged because they contracted a previous grant writer was counting the population within their jurisdiction and the members living outside of that jurisdiction.
    What was the IHS grant written for? Last time I was involved in an IHS grant for a tribe it was over 10 years ago for something related to an Injury Prevention Program.

    Problem was, another tribe was already receiving funding for those members. Tribe ended up having to pay back over 100,000 and got a stern warning that basically said that failure to comply with federal regulations would see their federal funding revoked.
    Not surprised that happened. Especially when you have the smaller tribes forming a consortium in an area surrounded by a larger tribe's boundary.

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    Originally Posted by Oldnslo View Post
    Just in case anyone wants to read the Petition

    Suit alleges that the distribution chain has certain responsibilities that they disregarded in order to make more money. These responsibilities include both what reasonable people would do as well as additional duties under the Controlled Substances Act.

    Nothing frivolous about it. To the contrary, if the alleged facts are true, this is pretty heinous.

    The Petition contains allegations that Defendant McKesson has already paid millions in fines for their failure to live up to statutory duties (13 M in 2008 and 150 M in early 2017). They were supposed to fix their system and, it is alleged, have not. Another corp. defendant lost the ability to do business for their failures. Suit alleges that pharm techs have been disciplined by the state without effect, as well.

    P.S. Todd Hembree isn't an idiot.
    Thanks . . . I'm not a pharmacist so I have no clue how the distribution industry is supposed to serve as a "check" in the drug delivery system. I wonder if deliveries were actually stolen or if they've actually identified a doctor prescribing an over abundance of opioids?

    I find it interesting that McKesson is still a huge contractor with those fines . . .

    And where are these Cherokee citizens getting the prescriptions from in the first place? A tribal facility? Was this spike in opioid use caught by a pharmacist or pharmacy tech at one of their sites?

    I might have to check with one of our resident pharmacists who is involved in property/supply to see what's up . . .

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    Originally Posted by odin's beard View Post
    If you don't want to watch the video watch the documentary about it in Netflix. Honestly amazes me that there are still people out there that have bought into the false narrative of the frivolous lawsuits epidemic. The facts and numbers still don't support this "epidemic".


    So what you're saying is people should get informed about such things. Watch out for groups pushing false narratives. Groups that have an agenda they are trying to advance. Watch out when they take a few isolated cases, surround them with fear, half-truths and misleading statistics. Quality advice right there.

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    Gun Control Advocates Want to Sue Newtown Gun Maker

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    I don't disagree with the doctor part.


    As for your statement about coffee, you should watch this video.
    That show is complete shit.

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    Originally Posted by oklahoma_kracker View Post


    So what you're saying is people should get informed about such things. Watch out for groups pushing false narratives. Groups that have an agenda they are trying to advance. Watch out when they take a few isolated cases, surround them with fear, half-truths and misleading statistics. Quality advice right there.

    In other news ........



    Gun Control Advocates Want to Sue Newtown Gun Maker

    Orlando shooting sparks gun control, language debates
    What % of the civil cases (out of 15M) in that graphic were deemed by any criteria to be frivolous? Going to need a better breakdown to judge that graphic because if it's saying there are 15M frivolous lawsuits filed it goes against everything I've read or heard of about the matter.

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    Originally Posted by odin's beard View Post
    What % of the civil cases (out of 15M) in that graphic were deemed by any criteria to be frivolous? Going to need a better breakdown to judge that graphic because if it's saying there are 15M frivolous lawsuits filed it goes against everything I've read or heard of about the matter.
    Didn't matter. I was trying to suggest that people with an agenda will use false information and outliers to convince people there is a bigger problem than actually exists. Both with lawsuits and gun control.

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    Aha, gotcha. Flew right past me.

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