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    **USFL Thread**

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...page=1#article

    Dreamers dream for a living. Sometimes it works. But when your reveries produce thoughts of starting up a new professional football league, dreams tend to become delusional and eventually morph into cold-sweat-uh-oh-I’m-going-broke nightmares.

    Jaime Cuadra is one such dreamer. And he fully intends to act on it and live it.

    Cuadra, 52, is all San Diego. He came to this country from Nicaragua as a baby, attended El Cajon Valley High and received two degrees from USD. From an office downtown, he serves as chief financial officer for Umani Seafood, which owns two bluefin tuna farms, one near Ensenada in Baja and one in Croatia.

    Now how one goes from counting tuna profits to starting up a new spring football league beats me, but as Cuadra puts it: “I’m an accountant by education and an entrepreneur by nature.”

    As history explains, those who have tried to start up football leagues in a country dominated by the NFL have failed, including the USFL, which had Donald Trump’s ego and money behind it, the ego eventually leading to its downfall.[b] Cuadra has acquired the USFL brand, and as its president and CEO hopes to have an eight-team league (14 games, two playoffs games and a championship) start up by next spring in non-NFL cities. The new USFL will be headquartered here.[/b[

    Cuadra is dreaming, but he has the right attitude and plan, and he’s enlisted as a consultant Jim Steeg, the former Chargers COO, who for 34 years served the NFL as the man in complete charge of Super Bowls and special events. Smart move. There aren’t many people who know professional football’s insides better than Jim Steeg.

    “I like the idea a lot,” Steeg says. “I haven’t talked to anyone who thinks the idea sucks. If you truly believe a triple-A spring football league has merit, this is the way to go. It’s not meant to compete with the NFL. It will give players the opportunity to develop. There are 3,000 football players and only 1,800 roster spots in the NFL. Particularly with the NFL’s new CBA, I think this kind of thing has a different place.”

    Steeg must like the idea, because, “I’m not getting paid.” At least not yet.

    The key to what he has to say is that, first and foremost, any new league must stay out of direct competition with the NFL. The original USFL did it the wrong way, going after high-priced players and eventually paying the price. How many times have league-starters said they don’t plan on competing with the NFL and then go off the deep end?

    “The USFL and UFL did the same thing — they weren’t fiscally responsible,” Cuadra says. “The XFL went totally gimmicky. It’s not going to work with purists. NFL Europe was a great idea, but costly. We can see the mistakes that have been made and try to avoid them.

    “We’re going to play in the spring when fans are dying for football. We’re going to take players who didn’t quite make it to the NFL and develop them — we’re talking anywhere from 1,000 to 1,800 kids and giving them a living wage, $3,000-to-$3,500 per game, and give them unfettered access to the NFL. They will be paid by the league, to keep things under control.”
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    So they will be competing with the Arena League for both players and audience. 14 games x $3k = $42k/year. What does the Arena League pay....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgsooner View Post
    Maybe they can play a non-pussified brand of football, unlike the NFL

    You mean like the XFL...?

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    I hope they succeed in becoming a decent off-season league just so we can have some football during the offseason.

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    I hope it works. I'm starved for football in the spring. As to the arena league comment, that's not football.

    I will say I hope they do like the NFL and stick to kids 3 years removed from high school so as not to interfere with college football but I doubt it.
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    It seems like once a decade some dumb ****er comes along and swears he can give the American people more football and it will be GLORIOUS!! and a majority of you fall for it...

    There's a reason why those players didn't pan out in the NFL. It's because they were't good enough. I don't want to watch some 3rd or 4th string RB from Tampa Bay make the big time by becoming a starter in the USFL. Every single time the product that has been put on the field is lackluster and people get bored with it and still say "PLEASE let the NFL season start" People can't be patient anymore. It's exciting to have to gruel through the Spring and Summer. It makes the end result that much better.

    Do you think people go out in droves to watch some hooters league golf tournament? **** no! They come by the thousands to watch Tiger and the rest of those guys. This will fail like all the others have failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbrad View Post
    It seems like once a decade some dumb ****er comes along and swears he can give the American people more football and it will be GLORIOUS!! and a majority of you fall for it...

    There's a reason why those players didn't pan out in the NFL. It's because they were't good enough. I don't want to watch some 3rd or 4th string RB from Tampa Bay make the big time by becoming a starter in the USFL. Every single time the product that has been put on the field is lackluster and people get bored with it and still say "PLEASE let the NFL season start" People can't be patient anymore. It's exciting to have to gruel through the Spring and Summer. It makes the end result that much better.

    Do you think people go out in droves to watch some hooters league golf tournament? **** no! They come by the thousands to watch Tiger and the rest of those guys. This will fail like all the others have failed.

    Actually 3rd or 4th string NFL guys would be watchable. But that's not who the USFL will feature, not for a paltry $42k/year.

    Funny that the dude said they're not going to compete with the NFL salary-wise because that's what the USFL did before and it didn't work. But it DID work, and that is precisely why the USFL had the success that it did. Any league with players who cannot make it in the NFL will not be successful. You need to go after guys sitting on NFL benches to have a chance....

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    AFL had some found a niche for a few years. I'm for a spring/summer football league that has success enough to be broadcast even on an ESPN network or NBCSports or FoxSports because it would be a lot better for the off-season of a sport that's offseason lasts for 8 months.

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    Aren't there several outdoor leagues already? Are you really that starved for football? Just because I'm hungry doesn't mean I'll eat burnt toast and think it's filet. This will never get off the ground.

    But, if it does, maybe Warren Sapp can find a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    Aren't there several outdoor leagues already? Are you really that starved for football? Just because I'm hungry doesn't mean I'll eat burnt toast and think it's filet. This will never get off the ground.

    But, if it does, maybe Warren Sapp can find a job.
    There are several outdoor leagues but the pay is jack squat, meaning the best players are in a arena league. This USFL is going to pay more the AFL, therefore the quality of players they attract will be alot better than the other outdoor leagues. This kind of money will probably put a huge ding in the CFL as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by usaosooner View Post
    There are several outdoor leagues but the pay is jack squat, meaning the best players are in a arena league. This USFL is going to pay more the AFL, therefore the quality of players they attract will be alot better than the other outdoor leagues. This kind of money will probably put a huge ding in the CFL as well
    I remember seeing a bit about Maurice Clarette(sp) and he was on one of the outdoor teams. I think he was making about 50K - which, if I remember, was about the norm.

    I saw a couple of games with the team in Vegas. It was more competitive than UNLV but that isn't saying much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usaosooner View Post
    There are several outdoor leagues but the pay is jack squat, meaning the best players are in a arena league. This USFL is going to pay more the AFL, therefore the quality of players they attract will be alot better than the other outdoor leagues. This kind of money will probably put a huge ding in the CFL as well

    Who are the better quality players who are too good for the AFL but not good enough for CFL or NFL? I don't know what CFL pay is, but I would be shocked if it is no more than $42k/year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhawk View Post
    as a former Season Ticket holder (well my dad and I...ok my dad) of the Oklahoma Outlaws....I LOVE THIS!

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    Gawd I love the Outlaws....

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    Sounds like a great idea. Hopefully ESPN can pick this up so we have something to watch other than ****ing NBA games. I need something from the Super Bowl to Opening Day, and March Madness just doesn't cut it as much anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleestakkSooner View Post
    Who are the better quality players who are too good for the AFL but not good enough for CFL or NFL? I don't know what CFL pay is, but I would be shocked if it is no more than $42k/year.
    AFL has a hard salary cap of about $400 per player per game, from a Google search I just did. CFL has a rookie salary of $50K. Veterans can make more and they run from $60K to $100K a year...Canadian. If the USFL plays 14 games and paid $3,000 a game that's $42,000 per year.

    The CFL only has 8 teams, so not a lot of jobs there. They also play an 18 game schedule with 2 preseason games.

    http://www.ehow.com/info_7916967_ave...fl-player.html

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    If they're going to pay that little compared to the NFL, why don't they just become a development league rivaling college football? Have a league with 18 to 23 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redhawk View Post
    AFL has a hard salary cap of about $400 per player per game, from a Google search I just did. CFL has a rookie salary of $50K. Veterans can make more and they run from $60K to $100K a year...Canadian. If the USFL plays 14 games and paid $3,000 a game that's $42,000 per year.

    The CFL only has 8 teams, so not a lot of jobs there. They also play an 18 game schedule with 2 preseason games.

    http://www.ehow.com/info_7916967_ave...fl-player.html

    So they might be able to compete with CFL for players. Still not close to being able to lure anyone who can secure an NFL contract. They will never be any more popular than was XFL unless they can jack up the salaries.....

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    The part that I don't know about, is that the 2 leagues that worked partially the WFL in the 70s and the USFL in the 80s both worked because they weren't perceived a being "minor league" or "developmental". While no one thought they were NFL level besides Trump they were viewed as quality with some quality players. The league seemed to "matter". They had huge crowds in some cities (Tampa, Birmingham)

    I don't know how they will be able to recapture that spark that the league some how mattered. the UFL sure didn't.

    Where the USFL really went wrong is they went from taking players that were tired of being back ups in the NFL and wanting to play, to trying to go head to head in bidding wars for star players. Steve Young's contract with the LA Express was the one that to me was the turning point. The NFL at the time didn't pay much for many starters and back ups were really squeezed. But....the USFL couldn't ultimately win the bidding war. NFL salaries have only gone up since then.

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    The media release for the USFL above states 8 teams in cities that don't have an NFL team now. Based on that and if they brought back old franchises they could bring back the following 7 franchises:

    Birmingham Stallions
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    A reincarnation of the league, with an entirely different business model, plans to kick off in March. On Thursday, it included Hall of Fame receiver Fred Biletnikoff among its advisers.

    Biletnikoff will consult on football operations for the league, which originally went out of business in 1987 after losing millions of dollars and, despite winning a lawsuit against the NFL, being awarded just $3 in indemnities. That version unwisely chose to challenge the NFL, while this one will be more of a developmental league.

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    What will be interesting to see is the ticket prices/etc for games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatahaze View Post
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    Groovy...

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    tfoolry... The NSFW thing brings back so many good memories. lmao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Dog Madsen View Post
    Groovy...

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    Groovy was out of style as slang in the 80's when we had the Outlaws. I think the term you were looking for was "****in'"

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    Where did the Outlaws play? Taft Stadium? Would they play there this time around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pardner View Post
    Where did the Outlaws play? Taft Stadium? Would they play there this time around?
    Well until the team went to Arizona, they played in Tulsa...doubt OU will go for sharing, Taft maybe but lots of repairs i think, or @ UCO (by the way what happened to the girls football team Oklahoma City Dolls?)...

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    If the Outlaws had to move cause they couldn't draw in football mad OK, how can this league have any hope?

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    Marcus Dupree thinks this is a splendid idea.

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    Too bad this wasn't around 3 years ago. Ronnell could have played in the USFL, made some coin for his kids, and not have had to worry about going to cl****.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pardner View Post
    Where did the Outlaws play? Taft Stadium? Would they play there this time around?
    They played in Tulsa's Skelly Stadium. Then they were merged into the Arizona Wranglers team. and they became the Arizona Outlaws. Also, the reason wasn't attendance, (av. attendance:21,038 and that was with 3 games in terrible down pours) but ownership issues.

    Here's a great write up on the history of the Oklahoma Outlaws.
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    and here: http://www.oursportscentral.com/usfl/outlaws.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61sooner View Post
    If the Outlaws had to move cause they couldn't draw in football mad OK, how can this league have any hope?
    Oklahoma is not a football mad state. Oklahoma is an OU football mad state. The only football that does well in this state is OU football and most small town high schools. Hell, OSU just had the best season in it's history and it sill cannot sell out its stadium.

    Oklahomans watching ANY type of football is a myth. In fact, it's a myth across the country, otherwise the other football leagues that have started up over the years wouldn't have failed. Americans really only care about the NFL and college football. Inferior products draw madest attention at best.

    Actually, the original USFL might have lasted a little longer if Donald Trump wasn't determined to go head-to-head with the NFL, which everyone except him thought was crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Oklahoma is not a football mad state. Oklahoma is an OU football mad state. The only football that does well in this state is OU football and most small town high schools. Hell, OSU just had the best season in it's history and it sill cannot sell out its stadium.

    Oklahomans watching ANY type of football is a myth. In fact, it's a myth across the country, otherwise the other football leagues that have started up over the years wouldn't have failed. Americans really only care about the NFL and college football. Inferior products draw madest attention at best.

    Actually, the original USFL might have lasted a little longer if Donald Trump wasn't determined to go head-to-head with the NFL, which everyone except him thought was crazy.
    The USFL got attention by signing large super-star contracts. Steve Young, Herschel Walker were a couple. Their payrolls were going past the level of the fan/ticket buying interests and the league was bleeding cash. The league needed to do "something". There was interest in the league for sure in some cities, Tampa, Birmingham, Memphis drew VERY well. Oklahoma averaged 25K fans in Skelly stadium and it rained like 4 of the 8 home games. There was a "base".

    They tried to consolidate teams into bigger cities with out an NFL franchise, such as Portland, and Phoenix, with the hope that the NFL would swoop in an kill the league by taking a few teams to the NFL. And the other owners would receive a portion of this buy out (as the hope went). Trump wanted to push this by going head to head. BUT...that actually killed the league with out any money from the NFL.

    What they should have done was stick to the minor-league plan. There was enough football talent to fill a 2nd league of the guys not in the NFL. It would be Arena League talent today.

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    USFL: resurrected next Spring, buried next Summer. Bad idea.

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    Michigan Panthers....that is all.
    I loved the Michigan Panthers for some reason. I was 10 years old when the USFL started and I loved watching it.

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