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That's a perfect example of what concerns me about giving numbnuts authority. It's just following procedure. First it's groping grandma. Just procedure. Then it's four year old little girls who are high risk. Procedure. Next it's throwing people in reeducation camps.
And people actually think granting authority with czars in health care, etc to more and more numbnuts is a good thing?
****ing Wichita...those ignorant ****s....
seriously....the wife and I were wondering when this incident occurred.....we heard nothing about it on the news here.
This is what happens when you hire people who are unqualified to even hold a minimum wage job......it is like they recruit McD's fry cooks.....****ing ridiculous...
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Terrorist will stop at nothing. Why do people have to be reminded of that everyday?
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Is profiling right or wrong?Originally Posted by Jbaker
It's right. If you're worried about actual safety, and not the illusion of safety. Which is what the TSA is.
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I just think someone messed up. We arent a perfect society. But we cant let the hell of 9/11 ever comeback.
And it won't. All we need is a privately operated metal detector, and some private security officers.
The world is a different place than it was pre-9/11. Passengers/pilots/flight attendants wouldn't let 9/11 happen again.
No US commercial flight will ever be successfully hijacked again.
The reason the planes were on 9/11 is because there had been several hijackings in history, and they all resulted in terrorists landing the plane safely, making a bunch of demands, and letting all the passengers go.
As I posted in the other thread, in the HISTORY of US commercial aviation prior to 9/11, there was exactly ONE death caused by airplane hijacking. 9/11 is an isolated incident, that yes, we needed to learn from. But it's gone WAY too far into the government control territory. Well, you know the Ben Franklin quote.
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Which you're ****izing.
Do we rely on the shaky nature of mob mentality on all the thousands of planes flying over America every day? Or do we do a systematic, efficient security check point.
What you're saying is like: we don't need so many cops. People will just do the right thing, put themselves in harm's way to stop any conceivable threat in mid-flight.
Yeah right.
That's not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying that private travel run by private businesses need not be interfered with by overreaching government agencies.
And it's not about depending on other people. The 9/11 terrorists could have done EXACTLY what they did with today's security measures in place. They didn't have guns or hunting knives on them. Like I said, nobody on that plane or in that ****pit thought for a second those planes might be used as missiles. That's why they gained access to the ****pit. That's why 9/11 happened.
This country existed just fine for 225 years before the TSA. One act shouldn't have changed it so drastically.
Were drastic measures taken to prevent the purchase of racing fuel, fertilizer, and rental vans after the OKC Bombing? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I really don't know. I've never tried to acquire any of them. I'm just curious if we created any new agencies to prevent OKC from ever happening again.
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As someone who has never flown, I will excuse myself and my argument.
You nailed it right on the head. They hire a bunch of ex-military numbnuts such as yourself. Guys who have served numerous tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, and deployments to Bosnia, Somalia, etc.
What a bunch of losers.
It's an inconvenience I'm willing to accept. There are a few incidents that occur every year and MOST get blown out of proportion by the people who are affected by it. It's not a big deal. I'd like to see video of this incident. I'm betting MOM and GRANDMA were quick to raise a stink. I've been pulled aside at an airport and frisked...NO BIG DEAL.
Oh, and I agree with this kinda. They MIGHT get hijacked again, but they won't be flown into buildings. The passengers will (and have) beat the **** out of the poor guy just wanting to return to his homeland...
That's right, because the military has the market cornered on numbnuts.....In which branch did you serve?
Translation: I'm a pushover who would rather have an illusion of security than liberty.
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Why would I serve when I can go to college and get a real job versus stuck at TSA?
It won't because Americans are not gonna let some nut job hijack a plane using a box cutter again. The TSA does not protect you from anything, it is an illusion. Their employees were either unemployed or working for Taco Bell before the nice government employed them. A persons security is up to the individual, not big brother.
I was unaware it was my "right" to fly...
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What he said x1000
You sure are ignorant.
I'm ignorant? Seriously? Of course, I was just being sarcastic.
But to insinuate that all TSA employees are unemployable and somehow wasting everyone's time is ridiculous. If you actually knew people that worked for TSA, you would know this isn't true.
Gotta love Americans, eh? Any small inconvenience and they go growing to the rafters. You people have no idea.
I don't care for my country to even remotely resemble wherever you are from. This is America. Not North Korea, Russia, China, or Australia. Some see it as a little inconvenience, while others see it as complete, unnecessary bull****. I haven't broken the law so that means the federal authorities can leave me the hell alone. I have never, nor will ever ask for their help.
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What you're saying is it's perfectly alright for the Federal Government to inject itself into the private sector where it has no Constitutional Authority. You're defending something with a 0% success rate.
Should the Government do security for all skyscrapers over a certain height instead of the companies that own them so we avoid another '93 WTC bombing?
It's really sad how pushovers bend over and take it because they have no idea how to defend or look out for themselves due to looking to the Government to solve all their problems.
If the Government truly cared about safety they'd mimic Israel as their airport security is the best. It's not about safety though, it's about controlling the spineless herds of sheep.
Where are you getting this statistic?
The % is arrived at b/c the TSA has stopped 0 incidences of terrorists trying to take something onto a plane.
It's not your "right" to eat at McDonald's either, but you don't have federal agents strip-searching you before you can eat your Big Mac.
It's not the federal government's right to inject themselves into private businesses.
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The ugliest aspect of the TSA controversy is how people talk down to TSA employees simply because of the inconvenience of having screens at the airport. I don't like waiting any more than anyone else but I'd hardly ridicule these people for simply doing their jobs.
There's absolutely nothing uglier than pretentious travelers (there may be a few that post on these boards) that think they're better than people trying to make a living and going to work everyday. If you have a problem with TSA, contact the govt officials. Do not take it out on the folks doing what they are paid to do.
That's not the ugliest aspect. It's an ugly aspect for sure, but nowhere near the ugliest.
The Gestapo, concentration camp guards, KGB, etc were "just doing their jobs" as well. I abhor that excuse.
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"This is what happens when you hire people who are unqualified to even hold a minimum wage job......it is like they recruit McD's fry cooks.....****ing ridiculous..."
"The TSA does not protect you from anything, it is an illusion. Their employees were either unemployed or working for Taco Bell before the nice government employed them."
These guys are winners, I'm sure.
Serious question....how will Americans not allow a nutjob to hijack a plane using a box cutter? Are you talking about the general public? The police standing around the airport? I'm open to ideas.
Source?
I am sensing someone who either works for or did work for the TSA. All sorts of butt hurt going on here.
You're not going to get any sources, Klegg. Nothing to see here but your average angry right-winger.
The general populous would not sit back and let someone do it again. This has been proven true at least once in the underwear bomber case.
Huh?
BTW, the AIRWAYS are federal property just like an interstate...no one's ****ing about being pulled over for not wearing a seat belt. The TSA provides a bit of ****urance that people can't just take anything on a plane. An airport is not just any private business. I, for one, am glad there are better guidelines to traveling this way. I don't want the government interfering with my day to day activities, but they DO provide many services that help provide for my safety. In this case, I'm not opposed to them "interfering"...
Whoa!!!! I'm an Independent that leans to the right in most cases. I DO use a little common sense and don't just paint every issue with a broad brush. I RARELY side with the left, but do at times. Go figure...someone thinking for themselves...
The FBI and CIA do not hand out traffic tickets last I checked. THAT is the point! Delta, United, US Air, etc provide there OWN security in whatever way they see fit. Not the federal government. /thread
The US DOT levies fines all of the time.
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I'm ****uming federal officers have plenty of authority to cite you on an interstate and in that case, there are already state and local authorities to police those areas. There's never been great security at airports. I, for one, don't have a problem with the TSA...
I'm with you. I've never really understood the hatred towards TSA other than your average anti-govt wingnuts. I don't like having my toothpaste confiscated as much as the next guy - and don't quite get the risk factor - but am mainly angry at myself for not being prepared at 6am as we're all aware of the rules prior to boarding.
Personally, I'm glad someone is looking.
How do I cite something that hasn't happened? Can you find me a source for aliens not landing in Central Park? Or perhaps we could find a source that shows me that my suv didn't orbit the Earth last week?
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Find me anything, anywhere, showing where TSA has stopped terrorist from carrying out their plot. The underwear and shoe bombers were stopped by passengers on the flight, after getting through TSA.
TSA VIPR teams—for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response—conducted over 9,300 random searches in 2011, on cruise ships, at NASCAR races, on buses, and at train stations.
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"TSA officials say they have no proof that the roving [VIPR] teams have foiled any terrorist plots or thwarted any major threat to public safety," the L.A. Times noted. Still, TSA wants funding for a dozen more VIPR teams.
Gullible folks, the TSA apologist in this thread, are the reason more money is being thrown at this waste.
Oh the joys of living in a world with your head up your ****.
Maybe if TSA agents didn't steal money from senior citizens who are also veterans then maybe they wouldn't get such harsh treatment.
What about the TSA agents stealing people's iPads?
Did you hear about the TSA agent who was sleeping on the job?
How about those TSA agents who were saving the body scanner images.
Speaking of the body scanners, we have this.
An Israeli security expert told Canadian officials their multi-million-dollar investment in full-body scanners for airports across the country was “useless” and could easily be hoodwinked by terrorists.
Rafi Sela, former chief of security at the Israel Airport Authority, spoke with members of Canada's House of Commons Transport Committee via video hookup from Kfar Vradim last Thursday. He told the lawmakers, who were investigating the state of Canada's aviation safety, that the 44 imaging machines – each costing $250,000 – were a response that was too little and too late.
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“I don't know why everybody is running to buy these expensive and useless machines,” Sela commented. “I can overcome the body scanners with enough explosives to bring down a Boeing 747. That's why we haven't put them in our airport.”
I would post more but time is limited and I'm not doing all of your homework for you because you're too lazy to look.
Translation: I have no proof or arguments to counter the claims made in this thread.
They're called Air Traffic Controllers.
Should the Government install security checkpoints at all bus stops in the entire country? Should everybody's car be inspected before going onto the road?
Oh wait, all new cars must have a Black Box in them by 2015. We don't want people going someplace we don't know about huh?
You're helping continue the problem of this country's decay. I hope you can educate yourself, and soon, to right this wrong you've done to yourself.
If TSA is so great though, why did the Government get over 7,000 signatures in under 24 hours asking TSA's power to be greatly reduced if not abolished altogether?
Here's the icing on the cake.
there have been 99 million domestic flights in the last decade, transporting seven billion passengers. Not one of these passengers snuck a bomb onto a plane and detonated it. Given that this period coincides with the zenith of Al Qaeda terrorism, this suggests a very low risk.
Proponents of the TSA’s regime point out that threats are very high, according to information they have. But that trump card—secret threat information—is beginning to fail with the public. It would take longer, but would eventually fail with courts, too.
But rather than relying on courts to untie these knots, Congress should subject TSA and the Department of Homeland Security to measures that will ultimately answer the open risk questions: Require any lasting security measures to be justified on the public record with documented risk management and cost-benefit analysis.
TSA is a failure and a waste of money. You can either accept it or continue to be wrong arguing against the facts. The choice is yours, citizen.
So, maybe it's preventing them from trying. There's really no way of knowing. That's all I'm saying.
All the issues and/or similar issues with TSA employees is a societal issue that occurs in many professions. That's not really a reason to piss all over the entire profession.
Hey, watch out for those little black helicopters...
Will someone use the word "numbnuts" in this thread again? Thanks.
I can find more if you'd like. In fact, I can find many, many more but as I said, time is limited and I'm not one who's for doing other's research they're more than capable to do on their own.
I find it funny though you picked that out but ignored the parts where the TSA admits to not finding anything, yet demanding more money, and a top security official saying that the body scanners are useless.
Yeah, the United States Government would never overstep it's Constitutional boundaries.
Things like the CIA admitting they can hack into your home appliances, the CIA caught conducting an illegal search, the massive NSA spy center, the NYPD spying on citizens, and the many, many other stories out there of Government trying to get into every single little part of your life, down to what's the right amount of salt to ingest, are no reason to worry about the massive power they hold.
I mean, they may sell weapons to Mexican Drug cartels to create a conspiracy to p**** more gun-control legislation but they'd never treat us like peons.
Shut up numbnuts.
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