+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 123

Thread: Those Dastardly Ronulans!

  1. #1
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United

    Those Dastardly Ronulans!

    Paul supporters create delegate "mischief"

    Mitt Romney may be the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, but Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is quietly racking up some organizational victories that could complicate Mr. Romney’s anticipated coronation at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., this summer.

    Exploiting party rules, loyalists for the libertarian congressman from Texas in recent days have engineered post-primary organizing coups in states such as Louisiana and Alaska, confirming what party regulars say would be an effort to grab an outsized role in the convention and the party’s platform deliberations.

    In Massachusetts, the state where Mr. Romney served as governor, Paul loyalists over the weekend helped block more than half of Mr. Romney’s preferred nominees from being named delegates at state party caucuses — even though Mr. Romney won his home state’s primary with 72 percent of the vote. Many state GOP establishment figures, including longtime state Republican National Committee member Ron Kaufman, won’t be going to Tampa in August as official delegates.

    Mr. Paul, who is Mr. Romney’s only active challenger with the expected withdrawal Wednesday of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, “is doing more with less than any modern presidential campaign in recent memory,” said Doug Wead, a Paul campaign adviser who served as an aide to President George H.W. Bush.

    “More surprises coming,” Mr. Wead, an evangelical Christian, blogged this week. “It means that Ron Paul will be a factor in Tampa.”

    The first public signs of Mr. Paul’s supporters’ stealth success emerged in populous DeKalb County, Ga., on March 10. Mr. Gingrich won the state’s March 6 primary, but in Georgia and other states, the selection of delegates to the national convention takes place in subsequent party caucuses. So Paul loyalists can run for delegate slots ostensibly as supporters of Mr. Gingrich or another candidate.

    In Alaska — where Mr. Paul came in third in the primary behind Mr. Romney and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania — his supporters organized to elect two Paul loyalists, Russ Millette and Debbie Holland-Brown, as chairman and co-chairman, respectively, of the state party, beating out candidates backed by the Alaska GOP establishment. However, the current state members of the Republican National Committee beat back attempts to replace them with Paulites.

    In Alaska, tea-party-backed 2010 GOP Senate candidate Joe Miller and wife Kathleen struck an apparent alliance with Mr. Paul’s team, and she won election March 27 as a delegate to the Tampa convention.

    Mr. Paul’s forces failed in their more ambitious move in Anchorage to change Alaska party rules and give all 24 of the state’s delegates to the Texan. Alaska GOP officials say Mr. Paul still will have six committed delegates from the state at the convention.

    The Paul campaign’s skill in outmaneuvering rivals in delegate selection battles could produce some uncomfortable moments for a Romney campaign with a reputation for discipline and efficiency.

    Before the Paul surprise coup in Massachusetts, for example, the RNC had ****igned the Marriott Hotel in Tampa overlooking the convention center for the delegation representing the likely nominee’s home state. The hotel is considered the nicest in the vicinity — and now the Paul delegates will be able to enjoy the top-floor views.

    In Louisiana, Mr. Paul’s forces won in four congressional districts and split a fifth, virtually ensuring control of the June state convention, where the final selection of delegates will take place. Mr. Paul reportedly has won more than half the delegates apportioned to Iowa, Minnesota and Washington.

    While he is given virtually no chance of derailing Mr. Romney’s march to the 1,144 delegates needed for the Republican nomination, Mr. Paul could conceivably help deny Mr. Romney a first-ballot nomination, with enough muscle to gain a place at the podium and a large say in the party message for the fall campaign.

    Although Mr. Romney has reached out to candidates who exited the race, what precisely Mr. Romney and his aides can do to win a degree of pre-convention cooperation from Mr. Paul and his brigades is problematic, campaign operatives say. There was considerable nastiness in Mr. Paul’s dealing with campaign managers for 2008 nominee Sen. John McCain — some of which spilled onto the convention floor.

    Some Romney supporters say privately that it’s unclear what Mr. Paul expects to accomplish at the convention, given that the 150 new party “superdelegates” are thought to be irredeemably hostile to Mr. Paul’s efforts and are eager to ensure a first-ballot Romney nomination.

    If Mr. Paul seeks platform concessions, he won’t be able to use nomination balloting as a cudgel because the platform is written a week earlier. He also will have to apply early if he wants a prominent speaking slot in Tampa because the platform lineup is worked out weeks before the convention.



  2. #2
    DHF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    3,854
    vCash
    2514

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers
    Why is Ron Paul even trying anymore? It's not like he has a chance.
    The following users like this post: Soonerfan84


  3. #3
    TIMB0B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,365
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Louisiana Lafayette Ragin Cajuns Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Chicago Cubs Dallas Stars
    Quote Originally Posted by DHF View Post
    Why is Ron Paul even trying anymore? It's not like he has a chance.
    Who told you that?

  4. #4
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by DHF View Post
    Why is Ron Paul even trying anymore? It's not like he has a chance.
    You're not seeing the big picture.
    The following users like this post: suncoastsooner


  5. #5
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Muscletang View Post
    This is hilarious. You gotta love Ron Paul. He's the only person running, with the exception of Gary Johnson, the really understands what this country is supposed to be about. To be honest, the majority of people in this country don't deserve having a guy like him as their president.

    Cue the zealots that are going to proclaim that Ron Paul cost Romney the election once Obama wins again.
    3 users like Stinger_1066's post: Fahooglegods, LetsgoSooners82, suncoastsooner


  6. #6
    SoonerLibertarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Oklahoma City
    Posts
    5,643
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder St Louis Cardinals
    Ron Paul is about a movement and changing the very nature of the government. Romney and Obama are essentially continuing the same path.
    5 users like SoonerLibertarian's post: Fahooglegods, GTSooner, LetsgoSooners82, Stinger_1066, suncoastsooner


  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    This is hilarious. You gotta love Ron Paul. He's the only person running, with the exception of Gary Johnson, the really understands what this country is supposed to be about. To be honest, the majority of people in this country don't deserve having a guy like him as their president.

    Cue the zealots that are going to proclaim that Ron Paul cost Romney the election once Obama wins again.
    Er, what? Ron Paul is not going to be running as an independent and will not be on the ballot in November.

  8. #8
    Furthermore, this is exactly what I said the Paulies tried last time. Can't win with a popular election, must win with zombie-robots.

  9. #9
    Paul is good because he shifts the debate and changes national discourse because his supporters may just vote for whoever closely resembles him.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    The following users like this post: oucub23


  10. #10
    Most of his supporters on the other hand....

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
    2 users like OnlyOneOklahoma's post: oucub23, Soonerfan84


  11. #11
    SoonerLibertarian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Oklahoma City
    Posts
    5,643
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder St Louis Cardinals
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Furthermore, this is exactly what I said the Paulies tried last time. Can't win with a popular election, must win with zombie-robots.
    He wasn't getting near the attention and delegates he's getting now. But he's more than both of those. He's about a movement, not about getting the presidency this year.

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerLibertarian View Post
    He wasn't getting near the attention and delegates he's getting now. But he's more than both of those. He's about a movement, not about getting the presidency this year.
    Technically speaking, he is now in 2nd place in delegates. He's moved from 4th to 2nd in a month!

  13. #13
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Er, what? Ron Paul is not going to be running as an independent and will not be on the ballot in November.
    I didn't say he would be. But he's going to cause a stir at the convention that will make Romney look very weak. Read the story. He's already pulled an end-around on Romney that is taking delegate slots that are committed to Romney and Gingrich and filling them with his own supporters. Someone in Romney's campaign must have fallen asleep to allow that to happen.

    "Mr. Paul could conceivably help deny Mr. Romney a first-ballot nomination, with enough muscle to gain a place at the podium and a large say in the party message for the fall campaign.

    Although Mr. Romney has reached out to candidates who exited the race, what precisely Mr. Romney and his aides can do to win a degree of pre-convention cooperation from Mr. Paul and his brigades is problematic, campaign operatives say. There was considerable nastiness in Mr. Paul’s dealing with campaign managers for 2008 nominee Sen. John McCain — some of which spilled onto the convention floor."


  14. #14
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Ron Paul wins majority of Nevada delegates

    Thanks to organized Paul supporters, who have been working to increase their candidate’s support at state conventions around the country, 22 of the 25 Nevada delegates up for grabs will be Paul supporters.
    Ruh Roh!

    Some folks in the Romney camp wore Ron Paul T-shirts and tried to distribute a phony slate of candidates for Nevada's delegation to the national convention.
    The Romney camp was busted when a Ron Paul supporter grabbed the microphone and warned the convention floor of the bogus slate.


    https://p.twimg.com/AsJi9X2CQAIByv3.jpg:large

  15. #15
    Sooner5030's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Off the Grid
    Posts
    588
    vCash
    1000

    Good for RP.

    Romney vs. Obama is like default 2017 vs 2015. It only extends the missery.

  16. #16
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Furthermore, this is exactly what I said the Paulies tried last time. Can't win with a popular election, must win with zombie-robots.
    The world belongs to those who show up.

    This has been well known since Day 1 they would focus on delegates and Tampa. It's not the fault of the Paul campaign that Romney has rather soft support when it comes to delegates and his people's organization. I could care less if this is pissing people off because I have yet to see Ron Paul's side break the rules but I'm seeing the GOP/Romney side do it all over the place.

    Mitt Romney has been getting extra help in his Republican campaign for the presidential nomination. The Republican National Committee and their char, Reince Priebus, have endorsed Mitt Romney despite this being against the RNC's national rules. Calls have risen for Reince Priebus to resign over the fact that he has announced there should be a "merger" of the RNC and Mitt Romney. There is even a petition and a Facebook group calling for the resignation of Priebus.

    In North Carolina, where Romney so recently won the state primary, the GOP used the Guilford County Republican Party Headquarters to make phone calls on behalf of Romney. The calls were organized in part by Al Bouldin, the Guilford County GOP Chair. Bouldin was well aware of the fact that the Republican Party does not endorse candidates in the Primary, a fact he had stated a few days prior to organizing calls for Romney at the County GOP headquarters.

    The Republican Party does not endorse any candidates in the Primary. We are forbidden from endorsing one Republican candidate over another.

    With his actions, it seems that the GOP in Guilford County was in fact aiding Romney, before the primary. This goes against the GOP rules (specifically Rule #11) and no person nominated in violation of that rule is supposed to be recognized by the RNC. When Ron Paul supporters questioned the County GOP in regards to the aid of a Republican Headquarters, they were silenced and ****ociations were split.


    I'm happy to see active, engaged liberty supports who aren't falling behind what's spoon fed to them and standing for their beliefs. It gives me hope for the future.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Muscletang View Post
    The world belongs to those who show up.

    This has been well known since Day 1 they would focus on delegates and Tampa. It's not the fault of the Paul campaign that Romney has rather soft support when it comes to delegates and his people's organization. I could care less if this is pissing people off because I have yet to see Ron Paul's side break the rules but I'm seeing the GOP/Romney side do it all over the place.

    Mitt Romney has been getting extra help in his Republican campaign for the presidential nomination. The Republican National Committee and their char, Reince Priebus, have endorsed Mitt Romney despite this being against the RNC's national rules. Calls have risen for Reince Priebus to resign over the fact that he has announced there should be a "merger" of the RNC and Mitt Romney. There is even a petition and a Facebook group calling for the resignation of Priebus.

    In North Carolina, where Romney so recently won the state primary, the GOP used the Guilford County Republican Party Headquarters to make phone calls on behalf of Romney. The calls were organized in part by Al Bouldin, the Guilford County GOP Chair. Bouldin was well aware of the fact that the Republican Party does not endorse candidates in the Primary, a fact he had stated a few days prior to organizing calls for Romney at the County GOP headquarters.

    The Republican Party does not endorse any candidates in the Primary. We are forbidden from endorsing one Republican candidate over another.

    With his actions, it seems that the GOP in Guilford County was in fact aiding Romney, before the primary. This goes against the GOP rules (specifically Rule #11) and no person nominated in violation of that rule is supposed to be recognized by the RNC. When Ron Paul supporters questioned the County GOP in regards to the aid of a Republican Headquarters, they were silenced and ****ociations were split.


    I'm happy to see active, engaged liberty supports who aren't falling behind what's spoon fed to them and standing for their beliefs. It gives me hope for the future.
    What about the millions more people who "showed up" to the polls to vote for Romney over Paul?

  18. #18
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    What about the millions more people who "showed up" to the polls to vote for Romney over Paul?
    They should learn the rules, figure out some of those contest were just fancy straw poles, and if they really want their guy to win, get involved with the delegate process.

    The GOP made this complex system and now that somebody has the manpower to challenge it by playing by the rules they set, they're pissing, ****ing, moaning, and complaining.

    Do you really think that next time they'll make it easier for folks to let their voices be heard and their choices matter? No, they're going to make it harder so the little guy gets left out and those in the know, with the connections, can keep business as usual going.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Muscletang View Post
    They should learn the rules, figure out some of those contest were just fancy straw poles, and if they really want their guy to win, get involved with the delegate process.

    The GOP made this complex system and now that somebody has the manpower to challenge it by playing by the rules they set, they're pissing, ****ing, moaning, and complaining.

    Do you really think that next time they'll make it easier for folks to let their voices be heard and their choices matter? No, they're going to make it harder so the little guy gets left out and those in the know, with the connections, can keep business as usual going.
    I'm not talking about the ones with the straw polls. I'm talking about the full on primaries, like the ones in Oklahoma where Paul placed a distant 4th. They are now hijacking delegate conventions even though the delegates are suppose to be committed to Romney (in the 5th congressional district) on the first ballot and willing to not vote that way and take a fine. I've been to these things. When the delegates are selected they are sworn to vote for whomever they are committed to based on the congressional district's vote. So, essentially, the Paulies are lying as well.

    Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are nearly contradictory. The "little guy" that "gets left out" are the primary voters and "those in the know, with the connections" are the Paulies.

  20. #20
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    I'm not talking about the ones with the straw polls. I'm talking about the full on primaries, like the ones in Oklahoma where Paul placed a distant 4th. They are now hijacking delegate conventions even though the delegates are suppose to be committed to Romney (in the 5th congressional district) on the first ballot and willing to not vote that way and take a fine. I've been to these things. When the delegates are selected they are sworn to vote for whomever they are committed to based on the congressional district's vote. So, essentially, the Paulies are lying as well.
    Links? Evidence?

    I haven't seen them, so far, breaking any rules or regulations. They're playing it by the book and just putting their people into place. If they're breaking the rules, please show me where they are.

    I know some of the delegates are bound to the first round of voting but after that, it's a free-for-all. The delegates could be Paul's people but they're bound to Romney no ifs, ands, or buts. After the first round, like I said, they're free to vote however they like. If they're breaking party rules and being fined, again I'd like to see this.

    As for the "little guy," if the GOP would've made the nomination process short, simple, and to the point, we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we? Is what the Paul campaign doing illegal? No it's like the Statue of Liberty play against Boise State. It's not illegal but some heavily frown upon it. If it's legal, fair game.

  21. #21
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    When the delegates are selected they are sworn to vote for whomever they are committed to based on the congressional district's vote. So, essentially, the Paulies are lying as well.

    Your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs are nearly contradictory. The "little guy" that "gets left out" are the primary voters and "those in the know, with the connections" are the Paulies.
    What exactly have the Paulies lied about?

    The Paulies are the ones with the connections? Give me a break. Ron Paul is a thorn in the side of the GOP establishment, not a member of the establishment.

  22. #22
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Here's a good outlook of the whole process here.

    Mitt Romney won the caucuses, but Ron Paul won the state convention. How’d that happen?
    The caucuses — which Romney won handily — are simply the first step in selecting delegates to the national convention, which in modern times has become a highly choreographed coronation of the party’s presidential nominee.
    At the caucuses, delegates to the county convention are elected. At the county convention, state delegates are elected. And at the state convention, national delegates are elected.
    Generally, it doesn’t matter who actually goes as a delegate because the nominee is already decided.
    In this case, Paul’s supporters have decided to see the process through, flooding the conventions at the county and state levels with enough supporters to elect Paul loyalists to the national convention.

    But aren’t they subverting the will of the voters?
    Romney’s campaign might argue that. (Note a campaign spokesperson’s focus on the caucus tally when asked to comment this week on the convention results.)
    Indeed, Romney won 16,486 votes in the caucus to Paul’s 6,175.
    But Paul’s supporters reject the notion entirely that they’re subverting anything, noting they are simply seeing the entire process through. The caucuses and primaries are almost never the last word on who becomes the nominee.
    Generally, when one candidate opens up an insurmountable lead, the other candidates will drop out and all of the delegates will back the nominee apparent. Paul is intent on testing the question of: Well, what happens if you don’t drop out?
    His effort isn’t entirely unprecedented.
    In 2008, the Democratic primary dragged on until summer, with neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton locking up enough delegate wins to determine a clear front-runner.
    In that case, both campaigns were forced to ensure their supporters turned out in force to the county and state conventions in Nevada to ensure their opponent didn’t gain an upper hand in the delegate count.

    Why does it matter if Paul loyalists go to Tampa? They have to vote for Romney anyway, right?
    In Nevada’s case, the answer is yes.
    Paul will send 22 loyalists to Tampa. Romney will send six.
    But to win its coveted early caucus state status, Nevada had to promise to make the results of the caucus binding. Under those rules, 20 of the national delegates must vote for Romney on the first round of balloting and eight must vote for Paul.
    But if for some reason Romney doesn’t get 1,144 delegate votes at the national convention — or 50 percent — another round of balloting is held and all of the delegates are free to vote for whomever they please.
    And wait, there’s more!
    If Paul delegates succeed in capturing a majority of delegates from just five states — which they are well on their way to accomplishing — they can nominate Paul from the convention floor.
    Of course, they’d still need 1,144 votes to crown him the nominee.

    Wait a minute; what about Rule 38?
    And here enters the endless arguments over how to interpret the Republican Party’s arcane nominating rules.
    Rule 38 is a favorite of Paul supporters because it seems to imply that the state is not allowed to bind delegates at all.
    Referred to as the Unit Rule, the measure says “no delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound” by any state’s attempt to impose the “unit rule.”
    According to Josh Putnam, a scholar on the presidential nominating process at Davidson College in North Carolina, the rule is a throwback from the days when party bosses would strong-arm a state delegation into backing a single candidate.
    Most party officials and observers say it doesn’t apply to states that have binding caucuses.
    The problem for the RNC, as Putnam notes, is that the rule is still on the books and opens up an interpretation argument for Paul’s backers.

    OK, but the RNC rules clearly say a delegate can abstain from the vote. Wouldn’t that set Paul loyalists free from voting for Romney?
    Well, probably not.
    In practice, when a majority of delegates decide they are going to abstain from the nominating vote, that state’s delegation is skipped over in the roll call.
    Putnam said the rules aren’t clear what happens after all of the states vote and the skipped states get a second shot at it. If they abstain again, it could create an endless “feedback loop where the convention gets stuck.”
    But Nevada Republican Secretary Jim DeGraffenreid notes that the roll call vote doesn’t allow individual delegates to shout out their vote.
    Instead, the delegation chair submits the state’s total. In Nevada’s case, the chair would shout out 20 votes for Romney and eight votes for Paul.
    Any delegate looking to circumvent that bind would likely be replaced by an alternate delegate, DeGraffenreid said. And all of the alternates elected at the state convention are Romney supporters.

    So, if Paul’s supporters can’t nominate him, what’s the point of all this work?
    First, it’s not totally impossible — highly unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility — for Paul to put together a patchwork collection of 1,144 national delegates. They could potentially win over delegates from Newt Gingrich’s and Rick Santorum’s failed presidential bids or continue on their caucus-state strategy of controlling state conventions.
    But, in the end, not all of them are convinced that the only victory is the nomination. They want to infuse the Republican Party with Paul’s brand of libertarian, non-interventionist and small-government politics. With enough supporters at the national convention, they’ll receive national news coverage, could influence the platform and even make life difficult enough for Romney that he’s forced to reach some kind of deal with Paul.
    “Romney would have to give something,” Paul’s Nevada chairman, Carl Bunce, said. “Who knows what that could be? It depends on how many delegates we get and how much leverage we have.”
    Putnam said the RNC and Romney will be highly motivated to avoid any disruption to their choreographed convention.
    “This potentially could be very messy for them,” Putnam said. “It would behoove them to come up with whatever they can to avoid that.”

  23. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Muscletang View Post
    Links? Evidence?

    I haven't seen them, so far, breaking any rules or regulations. They're playing it by the book and just putting their people into place. If they're breaking the rules, please show me where they are.

    I know some of the delegates are bound to the first round of voting but after that, it's a free-for-all. The delegates could be Paul's people but they're bound to Romney no ifs, ands, or buts. After the first round, like I said, they're free to vote however they like. If they're breaking party rules and being fined, again I'd like to see this.

    As for the "little guy," if the GOP would've made the nomination process short, simple, and to the point, we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we? Is what the Paul campaign doing illegal? No it's like the Statue of Liberty play against Boise State. It's not illegal but some heavily frown upon it. If it's legal, fair game.
    Evidence: first hand experience. Not good enough for you. Good enough for me.

    I just told you how they are breaking the rules. If any delegate from Oklahoma's 5th congressional district votes for anyone besides Romney on the first ballot at the convention, they will have violated the rules. What I'm telling you is that I know from first hand experience in 2008 Paul's people put their people into place and were going to vote for Paul on the FIRST ballot.

    I'm just voicing my opposition to your thinking that you equal the "little guy" in this scenario, which could not be further from reality.

  24. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    What exactly have the Paulies lied about?

    The Paulies are the ones with the connections? Give me a break. Ron Paul is a thorn in the side of the GOP establishment, not a member of the establishment.
    Ron Paul has been a member of Congress since the 1980s. Mitt Romney is, currently, not an elected official. How's that for not being part of the establishment? Also, given that a large portion of the GOP is evangelical Christian (to include Paul) Romney being Mormon means that he's even more against the grain.

    Edit: and what the Paulies are lying about is when they are bound to vote for a particular candidate in the first round ballot and saying they will and then getting to the convention, eating the fine themselves, and voting for Paul anyway (if enough of them do it may force a 2nd round ballot in which everyone will be able to vote for whomever they want free from fines or punishment).

  25. #25
    Muscletang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The Matrix
    Posts
    3,222
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Manchester United
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Evidence: first hand experience. Not good enough for you. Good enough for me.
    I found this:

    You will also certify that your delegate vote on selection for President of the United States of America at the Republican National Convention shall be cast as provided by Oklahoma Statute 26 O.S. 20-104(G) AND 20-105 .

    26 O.S. 20-104(G) reads as follows: “Each delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention of his political party shall cast their vote on all ballots for the candidate who received this state's vote. If that candidate is for any reason no longer a candidate, the votes of the Oklahoma delegation shall be cast for any candidate of their choice.” 26 O.S. 20-105 also includes that, “Any vote cast by a delegate which is not in accordance with his delegate pledge shall be void.


    If Ron Paul's people were breaking the rules, their votes should've been void. What's this talk of a fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    I just told you how they are breaking the rules. If any delegate from Oklahoma's 5th congressional district votes for anyone besides Romney on the first ballot at the convention, they will have violated the rules. What I'm telling you is that I know from first hand experience in 2008 Paul's people put their people into place and were going to vote for Paul on the FIRST ballot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Edit: and what the Paulies are lying about is when they are bound to vote for a particular candidate in the first round ballot and saying they will and then getting to the convention, eating the fine themselves, and voting for Paul anyway (if enough of them do it may force a 2nd round ballot in which everyone will be able to vote for whomever they want free from fines or punishment).
    As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.
    ...
    With that understanding, the rules governing a party are those of a private group, not a government entity.


    What fine? If they do break any rules, from what I've read, their vote shall be void and they'll have one less voice in the second round. Now if they abstain and take a fine for it, I could see them doing that.

  26. #26
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Ron Paul has been a member of Congress since the 1980s. Mitt Romney is, currently, not an elected official. How's that for not being part of the establishment? Also, given that a large portion of the GOP is evangelical Christian (to include Paul) Romney being Mormon means that he's even more against the grain.

    Edit: and what the Paulies are lying about is when they are bound to vote for a particular candidate in the first round ballot and saying they will and then getting to the convention, eating the fine themselves, and voting for Paul anyway (if enough of them do it may force a 2nd round ballot in which everyone will be able to vote for whomever they want free from fines or punishment).
    Come on, dude. I know you're not that stupid. Everyone knows that Ron Paul, although a Republican, has always been his own man. He has never toed the party line, and you know that.

    And as far as lying is concerned, the convention hasn't been held, so they haven't done anything yet.

    Here's the deal. Paul has stacked the deck with his people. If Romney and the party establishment don't want to be embarrassed at the convention then they are going to have to listen to Ron Paul. They can blame no one but themselves. They control how these things are done. Ron beat them at their own game.

  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    Come on, dude. I know you're not that stupid. Everyone knows that Ron Paul, although a Republican, has always been his own man. He has never toed the party line, and you know that.

    And as far as lying is concerned, the convention hasn't been held, so they haven't done anything yet.

    Here's the deal. Paul has stacked the deck with his people. If Romney and the party establishment don't want to be embarrassed at the convention then they are going to have to listen to Ron Paul. They can blame no one but themselves. They control how these things are done. Ron beat them at their own game.
    I love how you act as if Paul has already succeeded in his game. Romney is still probably going to win 1st ballot.

  28. #28
    TIMB0B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,365
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Louisiana Lafayette Ragin Cajuns Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Chicago Cubs Dallas Stars
    Article from "The Blaze": MEDIA SHOWS NO SIGNS OF UNDERSTANDING THE RON PAUL STRATEGY SO LET ME EXPLAIN IT

    And one of the comments on the article. Similar to how I discovered Dr. Paul, but for me it was back in 2008 after McCain was already the nominee.
    JOAN K
    Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:51pm
    This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell other Conservatives all along. Once I was a Palin supporter, but I saw the light last fall that she was not going to run. I stumbled along evaluating every position of every candidate on the Republican stage. I once thought Ron Paul was crazy, too, until I started reading our founders works and examining his stances more in depth. His foreign policy is NOT crazy.. what is crazy is that many Conservatives (now called Neo-Cons) have become the opposite of what our founders would have wanted us to be when it comes to foreign influence and war. Ron Paul’s stance on a Christian Just War is EXACTLY where our Founders would have stood. After examining Ron Paul’s honest and principled record and his walking the walk for all these years, I decided I not only would vote for him, but it would be crazy for me not to! We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever. The fact Ron Paul has not been morally corrupted by his many years in the service of our country shows he is the RIGHT CHOICE for our Country. He IS the Real George Washington who you are seeking. He is a modest Christian church going man who doesn’t wear his religion on his sleeves. RP is not running for president to gain personal power, he is running for President to give this country back to WE THE PEOPLE.
    The following users like this post: Stinger_1066


  29. #29
    Tundra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Indian Territory
    Posts
    1,879
    vCash
    1909

    Oklahoma Sooners Western Kentucky Hilltoppers Texas Rangers Detroit Red Wings
    Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

  30. #30
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    I love how you act as if Paul has already succeeded in his game. Romney is still probably going to win 1st ballot.
    Probably so, but he's going to have to cave to some of Paul's demands.

  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    Probably so, but he's going to have to cave to some of Paul's demands.
    No he won't

  32. #32
    Holy ****! Did I just see someone applaud the notion that Ron Paul is being compared to George Washington? What the **** is wrong with you people?

  33. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Muscletang View Post
    I found this:

    You will also certify that your delegate vote on selection for President of the United States of America at the Republican National Convention shall be cast as provided by Oklahoma Statute 26 O.S. 20-104(G) AND 20-105 .

    26 O.S. 20-104(G) reads as follows: “Each delegate or alternate delegate to the national convention of his political party shall cast their vote on all ballots for the candidate who received this state's vote. If that candidate is for any reason no longer a candidate, the votes of the Oklahoma delegation shall be cast for any candidate of their choice.” 26 O.S. 20-105 also includes that, “Any vote cast by a delegate which is not in accordance with his delegate pledge shall be void.


    If Ron Paul's people were breaking the rules, their votes should've been void. What's this talk of a fine?




    As set out in the Rules of the Republican Party, delegates have the ability to vote according to the delegates’ preference, even if that is contrary to the outcome of each state’s primary. According to one source, the legal counsel for the Republican National Convention in 2008 stated: “[The] RNC does not recognize a state’s binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.” Thus, if a delegate were to challenge his or her ability to vote as a free agent, he or she would have grounds under Rule 38.
    ...
    With that understanding, the rules governing a party are those of a private group, not a government entity.


    What fine? If they do break any rules, from what I've read, their vote shall be void and they'll have one less voice in the second round. Now if they abstain and take a fine for it, I could see them doing that.
    Well, we'll see if I find out anything tomorrow at the Oklahoma State Republican Party Convention.

  34. #34
    silverwheels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    passing through nature to eternity
    Posts
    6,516
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Oklahoma City Thunder Edmonton Oilers Liverpool
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Holy ****! Did I just see someone applaud the notion that Ron Paul is being compared to George Washington? What the **** is wrong with you people?
    Well, seeing as how she was a Palin supporter up until as recently as last year, I took her comments with a grain of salt.

  35. #35
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Holy ****! Did I just see someone applaud the notion that Ron Paul is being compared to George Washington? What the **** is wrong with you people?
    What is wrong with you? Ron Paul is the only prominent candidate that is true to the Constitution.

  36. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    What is wrong with you? Ron Paul is the only prominent candidate that is true to the Constitution.
    And this makes him on the same level with George Washington? You guys are just making yourselves look stupid with those kinds of statements. And I'm shocked you stood up for this.

  37. #37
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    And this makes him on the same level with George Washington? You guys are just making yourselves look stupid with those kinds of statements. And I'm shocked you stood up for this.
    You're focusing on the George Washington comment. I wasn't liking the post for that comment. I was liking the post for this part:

    Ron Paul’s stance on a Christian Just War is EXACTLY where our Founders would have stood. After examining Ron Paul’s honest and principled record and his walking the walk for all these years, I decided I not only would vote for him, but it would be crazy for me not to! We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever.

  38. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    You're focusing on the George Washington comment. I wasn't liking the post for that comment. I was liking the post for this part:

    Ron Paul’s stance on a Christian Just War is EXACTLY where our Founders would have stood. After examining Ron Paul’s honest and principled record and his walking the walk for all these years, I decided I not only would vote for him, but it would be crazy for me not to! We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever.
    Yes, I did. Which is why I was appalled by it in the first place.

  39. #39
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Yes, I did. Which is why I was appalled by it in the first place.
    Do yo have any issues with this statement?

    We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever.

  40. #40
    TIMB0B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,365
    vCash
    1000

    Oklahoma Sooners Louisiana Lafayette Ragin Cajuns Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Chicago Cubs Dallas Stars
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    Do yo have any issues with this statement?

    We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever.
    The video below is the perfect example of what the 'R' party used to be.

    But after their 'R' leader expanded government, they followed lockstep with their leader, instead of sticking with the party's principles. I did the same thing too until hearing Ron Paul in the 2008 debates.



    Take the "R vs D" colored-glasses off. It's the People vs the Government.
    The following users like this post: Stinger_1066


  41. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    Do yo have any issues with this statement?

    We need to restore our Constitution, sound money, economic future, and sound foreign policy in order to return to the greatest nation ever.
    I have no problem with the statement.

  42. #42
    The black t-shirts, ironic mustaches, and cab driver hats are out in full force. Welcome, Paulies!

  43. #43
    ...cuz the rent IS TOO DAMN HIGH!

  44. #44
    Paulies shouting down the elected Oklahoma Republican Governor...cl****, cl****, cl****...

  45. #45

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,587
    vCash
    1500

    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Paulies shouting down the elected Oklahoma Republican Governor...cl****, cl****, cl****...
    Well, she is kind of an idiot. Everyone that is halfway involved in politics knows Brogdon was a better candidate. Hell, she wouldn't even debate him. After taking office she immediately pushed for a state "health care exchange", which is a key component of obamacare. She has an R by her name but she has plenty of flaws.

  46. #46

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,587
    vCash
    1500

    I don't agree with the tactics of some of the Paul supporters. They need to show more respect some times. That being said, they have made a fuss at a lot of conventions because establishment types keep breaking their own rules so they won't be included.

  47. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by pbc2003 View Post
    Well, she is kind of an idiot. Everyone that is halfway involved in politics knows Brogdon was a better candidate. Hell, she wouldn't even debate him. After taking office she immediately pushed for a state "health care exchange", which is a key component of obamacare. She has an R by her name but she has plenty of flaws.
    Thats a riot. If you're leading in the polls, and your opponent struggles primarily with name id, why would you give your opponent free publicity? Thats just good strategy, plain and simple.

    Also she is the sitting governor. Does that command respect or not?

  48. #48
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    I have no problem with the statement.
    That is the part of the statement that I "liked".

  49. #49
    Horny Old Man Stinger_1066's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    On the golf course
    Posts
    11,057
    vCash
    1382

    Oklahoma Sooners Dallas Cowboys Oklahoma City Thunder Texas Rangers Dallas Stars Arsenal
    Quote Originally Posted by Soonerfan84 View Post
    Paulies shouting down the elected Oklahoma Republican Governor...cl****, cl****, cl****...
    Just so you know, I don't agree with that tactic.

    However, I have no problem with Ron Paul taking advantage of the GOP rules regarding delegate selection. He's just plain smarter than Romney and the rest of the GOP elite. He's using their own rules against them.

  50. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
    That is the part of the statement that I "liked".
    But the George Washington comment was over the top and ridiculous enough to distract from the rest of the comment. It's like saying:

    "I believe in good conservative values and the Constitution. The invention of the printing press didn't mean anything. And I will continue to fight for these values and stand firm for your rights."

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts