*** Conference Apocalypse Part 3: A New Hope ***

[BoulderSooner]

If we want to get Notre Dame, I don't think that Pitt is the answer. What needs to happen is the Big East needs to go away as a football conference. We need Louisville, USF, UCONN, and Rutgers to go to the ACC. We take FSU, Clemson, GTech, and another current ACC team to make this happen. That puts us at 14.

A lot of people think that Pitt is good Domer bait at 15, but on further reflection, we need Pitt in the ACC so they don't go raiding outside of the Big East for teams, which leaves the possibility of the Big East surviving. The best Domer bait out there is also in Maryland, and that's The US Naval Academy. Navy would be the ideal pick up for 15.

the big east dieing has 0% inpact on ND ... the non football (catholic) schools will still have a conf and ND will still have the choice to be part of that conf ...

gtown st johns seton hall providence villanova marquette depaul then they would/could add Xavier/GW/Saint Joseph's st louis ect and be a great basketball conf ..

the only things that send ND to a conf are 1. their NBC tv deal not being good enough and 2. the new BCS 4 team playoff not giving them a solid way of making the field ..

[MeMyself&Me]

With a good number of quality schools ripe for the taking and the Big 12 in a position of power this time, I'm not a fan of taking a school 'just' to entice ND in case they ever change their mind. As such, Pitt is out, Navy is out, BC is out.

I'd work real hard on GT (who they have some history with but not a major rival) which has value on their own. Really want the Atlanta market and recruiting ground. Next would be Maryland. I don't know if they have any history with them but it would give them an east coast game. But that's as close as I would get.

I think the consensus is FSU and Clemson at 11 & 12, GTech and Maryland/VTech for 13 & 14.

15 really doesn't matter too much. If you're going to make a play for Notre Dame, you use it as Domer bait. If not, there really isn't any good options anyway aside from promoting Mid Majors, and that does nothing for anybody.

To be clear, I don't mind adding just about any single team ND wanted if they were bringing them with them as full members. I just don't like the idea of bait teams right now.

[Sooner Showtime]

FSU, Clemson, GT, & VT please.

Would be interesting if the SEC makes a move for VT though. Also wonder if the SEC would attempt any kind of counteroffer to FSU, out of fear that the Big 12 would gain recruiting traction in SEC territory, thus breaking the "gentlemen's agreement" with Florida realizing the gravity of the moment. Maybe offer FSU & VT. Doubt it though.

[MeMyself&Me]

FSU, Clemson, GT, & VT please.

Would be interesting if the SEC makes a move for VT though. Also wonder if the SEC would attempt any kind of counteroffer to FSU, out of fear that the Big 12 would gain recruiting traction in SEC territory, thus breaking the "gentlemen's agreement" with Florida realizing the gravity of the moment. Maybe offer FSU & VT. Doubt it though.

I doubt the SEC is worried about the Big 12 stealing their recruits. For one, a diminished ACC is not going to be recruiting there well at all but I suspect there's enough Florida kids to go around.

I do think the SEC will offer VT a home though. I'm less sure that VT would decide that's in their best interest if the Big 12 was offering a home that included FSU, Clemson, and GT. Would just have to wait and see. I tend to think they'd prefer the SEC though. It's not like VT goes way back with the ACC schools.

[MeMyself&Me]

Got this from shaggybevo:



It's easy to use that to see that there aren't many 4 team tourny models that would be favorable to the ACC. If you think that payouts will be participation based, there's no reason to be waiting around for the BCS meetings if you're an ACC team.

And there's no reason to count those Miami Big East teams as ACC either since they're not going to be competitive for a long time, if ever.

[m40]

Found on Clemson Scout

dudeofwv.blogspot.com/2012/05/...-and-storm.html

Clemson is the quiet one.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it.

The deal is done.

Some notes:

The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.

The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a #13th member.

ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.

If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.

Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries about NCAA violations.

Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.

Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.

[suncoastsooner]

FSU, Clemson, GT, & VT please.

Would be interesting if the SEC makes a move for VT though. Also wonder if the SEC would attempt any kind of counteroffer to FSU, out of fear that the Big 12 would gain recruiting traction in SEC territory, thus breaking the "gentlemen's agreement" with Florida realizing the gravity of the moment. Maybe offer FSU & VT. Doubt it though.

Florida is not going to agree to another Florida school under any circumstances; Georgia, SoCar, and Kentucky support them.

[atlheff]

Florida is not going to agree to another Florida school under any circumstances; Georgia, SoCar, and Kentucky support them.

I know that this has been the standing agreement for a long time, but to me a serious move by the BIGXII into that region represents a pressure that they did not have to consider in the past. At this point the SEC is king of the mountain and is motivated to stay there. I would imagine that Clive is at least investigating these FSU?Clemson to the BIGXII "rumors" and may have to become a little more "flexible" if they have any traction. The BIGXII sitting at 10 right now, could make a hard push for 6 ACC power teams or 5 + ND if Miami wants no part of it but to me, that is the only way FSU makes sense. Keep regional teams with 2 trips west per season and host 2 western teams per season and really it is close to what they have now travel wise PLUS more $$$$$.

[suncoastsooner]

I know that this has been the standing agreement for a long time, but to me a serious move by the BIGXII into that region represents a pressure that they did not have to consider in the past. At this point the SEC is king of the mountain and is motivated to stay there. I would imagine that Clive is at least investigating these FSU?Clemson to the BIGXII "rumors" and may have to become a little more "flexible" if they have any traction. The BIGXII sitting at 10 right now, could make a hard push for 6 ACC power teams or 5 + ND if Miami wants no part of it but to me, that is the only way FSU makes sense. Keep regional teams with 2 trips west per season and host 2 western teams per season and really it is close to what they have now travel wise PLUS more $$$$$.

Mike Slive not Clive. And no there is no flexibility among the four monopolized eastern division schools.

Miami is not a power team. I don't know where people get that from. Their fan base is very small, their alumni base even smaller, and their ratings on television the last 6 years are terrible.

[Master Pandemonium]

Mike Slive not Clive. And no there is no flexibility among the four monopolized eastern division schools.

Miami is not a power team. I don't know where people get that from. Their fan base is very small, their alumni base even smaller, and their ratings on television the last 6 years are terrible.

2009:

It may have been a lousy weekend for the ACC, but the Labor Day matchup between Miami and Florida State was a ratings winner for hte league and ESPN.

While the ACC went 4-6 in non-conference play, Miami edged the Seminoles 38-34 as 8.4 million viewers watched.

That made the contest the second-most watched regular season college football game in the 30 years of ESPN. The most watched college football game on the WWL was the 2006 match up between the same two teams that Florida State won 13-10.

http://www.barkingcarnival.com/2009/...-hit-for-espn/

2006:

The rivalry is a television ratings magnet, accounting for the two highest rated college football telecasts in ESPN history. The 2006 game between Miami and FSU was the most-viewed college football game, regular season or bowl, in the history of ESPN, averaging 6,330,000 households in viewership (6.9 rating). It was also the second-highest rated game in ESPN history, behind only the 1994 game between Miami and FSU, which notched a 7.7 rating.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...#ixzz1uysTdUX0

Miami is a power team. 5 national titles. Who gives a **** what their fan base is, when Miami is good, the nation tunes in. The nation won't tune into Maryland, or Louisville, or Rutgers, or even Clemson. People have opinions about Miami. We love to hate them. If and when they get back to national relevance, they will be a ratings magnet, as they have been in the past. It would be absolutely stupid to p**** on Miami. Now, Miami might do something equally stupid, and turn down an invite, but a good Miami program offers far more money to a 14-16 team Big 12 than any team other than FSU or Notre Dame.

[Redhawk]

Miami is a power team. 5 national titles. Who gives a **** what their fan base is, when Miami is good, the nation tunes in. The nation won't tune into Maryland, or Louisville, or Rutgers, or even Clemson. People have opinions about Miami. We love to hate them. If and when they get back to national relevance, they will be a ratings magnet, as they have been in the past. It would be absolutely stupid to p**** on Miami. Now, Miami might do something equally stupid, and turn down an invite, but a good Miami program offers far more money to a 14-16 team Big 12 than any team other than FSU or Notre Dame.

Rumor of the day is Miami DID turn us down. Also the additional part of the rumor is Miami will focus more on academics and less on football, and may scale back their football program, as they expect to be hit hard with NCAA sanctions.

What ever an internet rumor is worth....

[McTouchdown]

Info from the highly regarded Baylor 247 mod. It was posted on the WVU site.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=8993948


Big 12 Growing?
Brian Ethridge •
About three weeks ago, one of my best sources on conference realignment called. I thought he was just calling to catch up and say "hello."
I was wrong.
The BCS meetings regarding a college football playoff at the FBS level were approaching, and he told me to watch carfefully what came out of those meetings.
Soon after the ACC schools received their new ESPN contract - which averaged $17 million per school, per year over 15 years - the news leaked of a Big 12 contract for the top two tiers in the range of $20 million apiece. That meant two tiers of the Big 12 was valued at $3 million more than all three tiers of ACC programming.
At that time, at least 10 universities started a market research study on the value of their tier three rights, which remain in possession by Big 12 schools after equally distributing the top two tiers.
Louisville, Pitt, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and BYU all received their studies and went to media outlets to gauge the monetary value.
Notre Dame would receive the largest amount, followed by Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech. The others were all told that their rights were valued in the $4 million range.
Last Thursday, intermediaries from several schools reached out to decision makers to start conversations about possibly moving to the Big 12.
On Saturday, the Chairman of Florida State's Board of Trustees blasted the ACC contract - especially in terms of the institutions where football was more of a focus than basetball.
Another detail that came to light was that the new ACC contract was backloaded - with members not receiving the $17 million until 2021. The Big 12 deal had a greater rate of acceleration, with schools receiving the $20 million by 2015 - when the rumored ESPN contract would go into effect.
As of today, the ESPN Big 12 contract has not been signed. Escalator clauses in the contract for getting back to 12 teams will raise the contract northward of $25 million per team. The media contracts for the Big 12 will reopen for negotiation if the league expands past 12 teams.
At this time, the Big 12 powers are happy with the thought of 12 teams and a new conference championship game. However, a few of the league's major players would like the contract to reopen for possibly more money by going to 14 teams.
With 14 teams, expected payouts would be approximately $28 million per school, with another $2 million or so per team coming from a conference championship game. And remember, the schools also have their tier 3 rights - unlike the ACC.
Florida State and Clemson coaches have been told a possible move to the Big 12 was under way, and to be ready for this on the road recruiting.
Secondly, our sources also state a Big 12 Tier 3 Network for the schools without the pull of a Texas or OU could form and would likely mean an additional $4 million to $6 million for those institutions. This would ensure constant programming for either Fox Sports or ESPN to show in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and other conference markets. Adding two ACC schools would further the reach of this network.
Originally Texas and OU were wanting to remain at 10 schools in the conference, but they began to consider expansion when the tier 3 studies were done by the other schools. The ability of the Big 12 to attract national brands such as Florida State and Clemson raised the bar a bit for a conference long-since stabilized by a 13-year grant of rights by its members.
The next obstacle is finding the right teams to add - and how many. There are several suitors for the additional two or four seats. The issue remains which schools could increase the current contract to the maximum projected $28 million.
Our sources have told us decisions could be made by May 30, when the Big 12 has its annual membership meeting.
All situations can change. However, according to people we trust, if Clemson and Florida State inform the ACC of their decision to leave - and the schools complete the application process for Big 12 membership - then discussions could take place at the May meeting.
It is unclear if the power brokers in the conference would rubber-stamp the applications, or if a school like Texas or Oklahoma would balk at FSU and Clemson being the first two added to the conference ranks.

[Redhawk]

I was just about to post this. It's from Brian Ethridge, who is a reporter for Baylor247.com. When I went to link to this, this was behind a paywall.

" Louisville, Pitt, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and BYU all received their studies and went to media outlets to gauge the monetary value. "

Well, we know who are 10 schools are.

[McTouchdown]

I was just about to post this. It's from Brian Ethridge, who is a reporter for Baylor247.com. When I went to link to this, this was behind a paywall.

" Louisville, Pitt, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and BYU all received their studies and went to media outlets to gauge the monetary value. "

Well, we know who are 10 schools are.

I'm picking FSU, ND, VT, and Clemson from that list. It would be a conference that would strike fear in the SEC crowd.

[atlheff]

Mike Slive not Clive. And no there is no flexibility among the four monopolized eastern division schools.

Miami is not a power team. I don't know where people get that from. Their fan base is very small, their alumni base even smaller, and their ratings on television the last 6 years are terrible.

Type that **** out on an iPhone and do as well as I did then complain about Slive Clive Clove. Ok then I'll take your word on it that no matter what happens, the SEC will not extend invitations to FSU, UM, Central Florida, South Florida or any other school that has 'rida' in it. I hope they don't.

[Redhawk]

Type that **** out on an iPhone and do as well as I did then complain about Slive Clive Clove. Ok then I'll take your word on it that no matter what happens, the SEC will not extend invitations to FSU, UM, Central Florida, South Florida or any other school that has 'rida' in it. I hope they don't.

SEC hasn't moved in the past. Would they move now? I doubt it. Blocking the Big 12 from getting into Florida wouldn't net them many new TV markets, as they already have UF. If the SEC were to expand to 16....it would most likely get NEW markets if it could which would net them more $$ then doubling down in a market they already own.

[Redhawk]

It's a pretty impressive list of 10. I'm not sure if ND would be coming for all sports. They would need to look at Tier 3 rights if they came as a partial member. I hope they do come as a full member.

[suncoastsooner]

2009:



2006:




Miami is a power team. 5 national titles. Who gives a **** what their fan base is, when Miami is good, the nation tunes in. The nation won't tune into Maryland, or Louisville, or Rutgers, or even Clemson. People have opinions about Miami. We love to hate them. If and when they get back to national relevance, they will be a ratings magnet, as they have been in the past. It would be absolutely stupid to p**** on Miami. Now, Miami might do something equally stupid, and turn down an invite, but a good Miami program offers far more money to a 14-16 team Big 12 than any team other than FSU or Notre Dame.

One game a season does not make for a good overall ratings as a program.

[suncoastsooner]

Type that **** out on an iPhone and do as well as I did then complain about Slive Clive Clove. Ok then I'll take your word on it that no matter what happens, the SEC will not extend invitations to FSU, UM, Central Florida, South Florida or any other school that has 'rida' in it. I hope they don't.

They also wouldn't to Ga. Tech, Clemson, or Louisville. But the Rida schools are the biggest no go because Georgia and SoCar feel that bringing in another Florida school hurts them more in recruiting. They already have a ton of Florida exposure and that bringing in another program is only making them more valid.

[Lehmanfan]

I refuse to get my hopes up. After OU to the Pac-whatever was killed, I lost all faith in Boren & other big-12 prez's. Some ****ing reason, OU & texas will **** this up.

[ResidentEvil]

Amazing how out of touch people on the west coast can be. Listening to the local sports here in Vegas on the way home, they were laughing at the FSU to B12 rumors. Their main points:
- The B12 is probably not going to be around in 3 years, OU and UT will still probably look at the PAC
- The ACC and B12 conference TV deals are only 3 million dollars different (no mention that the ACCs is backloaded, or that the B12s doesn't include T3)
- FSUs president said that the academic standards of the B12 aren't good, so that absolutely means that they wont go (nevermind the fact that the Presidents bosses disagree with him)
- The travel from FSU to the B12 would cost more than the benefit of the TV contract (no mention that the travel distances in the ACC aren't that great for FSU either).

[Sooners]

- The travel from FSU to the B12 would cost more than the benefit of the TV contract (no mention that the travel distances in the ACC aren't that great for FSU either).

Never mind that the distances aren't much different, how much do those guys think team travel costs...? Millions and millions and millions of dollars...? lol
At least they provide you with a little comedy...

[MeMyself&Me]

Amazing how out of touch people on the west coast can be. Listening to the local sports here in Vegas on the way home, they were laughing at the FSU to B12 rumors. Their main points:
- The B12 is probably not going to be around in 3 years, OU and UT will still probably look at the PAC
- The ACC and B12 conference TV deals are only 3 million dollars different (no mention that the ACCs is backloaded, or that the B12s doesn't include T3)
- FSUs president said that the academic standards of the B12 aren't good, so that absolutely means that they wont go (nevermind the fact that the Presidents bosses disagree with him)
- The travel from FSU to the B12 would cost more than the benefit of the TV contract (no mention that the travel distances in the ACC aren't that great for FSU either).

Honesty, I was listening to Mark Packer this morning on Sirius Radio and he wasn't much better. I think it's going to take a while for the regular media to catch up to those of us that have been paying attention.

[lash]

Amazing how out of touch people on the west coast can be. Listening to the local sports here in Vegas on the way home, they were laughing at the FSU to B12 rumors. Their main points:
- The B12 is probably not going to be around in 3 years, OU and UT will still probably look at the PAC
- The ACC and B12 conference TV deals are only 3 million dollars different (no mention that the ACCs is backloaded, or that the B12s doesn't include T3)
- FSUs president said that the academic standards of the B12 aren't good, so that absolutely means that they wont go (nevermind the fact that the Presidents bosses disagree with him)
- The travel from FSU to the B12 would cost more than the benefit of the TV contract (no mention that the travel distances in the ACC aren't that great for FSU either).

If nothing else, it's fun to see the Stages of Grief reactions from the other regions and conferences over all this.

[IndySooner]

Honesty, I was listening to Mark Packer this morning on Sirius Radio and he wasn't much better. I think it's going to take a while for the regular media to catch up to those of us that have been paying attention.

They're relying on callers for their information half of the time.

[UO fan]

I was just about to post this. It's from Brian Ethridge, who is a reporter for Baylor247.com. When I went to link to this, this was behind a paywall.

" Louisville, Pitt, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Maryland, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and BYU all received their studies and went to media outlets to gauge the monetary value. "

Well, we know who are 10 schools are.

It's beginning to get clearer.

The crux of this whole play is going to be where FSU lands. It seems like VT is now much more willing to jump ship to the SEC, but they need a team to go with them.
Will the SEC be content to take Maryland with VT?
Do they think they can pry NCST away from the other Carolinas, even if the ACC were to basically collapse?
I think the answer to both of those is "no."

Who's the most attractive team that's actually going to join a new conference?
FSU.

UF doesn't really have a problem with FSU in the SEC, they've tried to get them into the conference before. Their gentlemans agreement also loses its power when you're voting for a 16th member, with no ability to expand after that. Finally, I think the SEC will look at it and realize a few things:

1. FSU is a more valuable member than any other school they have a chance to get. Maryland or NCST vs Georgia won't move many dials, but FSU vs Georgia sure would. The state is big enough to support two teams, California has four in the Pac and Texas has like six in the Big 12.

2. It's better to have 2 Florida schools in the conference than to let 10-15 other schools into the Florida recruiting grounds. FSU has proven they'll get their players. Being in the SEC won't really even help them in recruiting. It will hurt teams like WVU, Clemson, OU and the Texas schools, who won't have any connections to Florida, unlike if FSU went to the Big 12. By getting FSU in the SEC, you keep a vast majority of Florida talent in the SEC.

3. With FSU in the SEC, no other conference will ever approach them in football power or television appeal. You could merge any two other conferences and I'd still probably take the SEC.


TLDR; I predict the SEC takes VT and FSU, leaving the Big 12 with Clemson and a bag of #$%@ tacos.

[pbr street gang]

I am honestly embarrassed that OU fans have swallowed the couch burning Kool Aid. WVU got snubbed by the SEC and the ACC...so they end up in the DUMP that is the Big 12. The reason the national media is laughing is because no school with options will join this disaster. No ACC school will join the Big 12 and neither will ND. After the couch burning circle jerk ends you will see why Tulane was mentioned as a possible Big 12 target....nobody wants to be partners with Texas because Texas doesnt have partners.

[McTouchdown]

It's beginning to get clearer.

The crux of this whole play is going to be where FSU lands. It seems like VT is now much more willing to jump ship to the SEC, but they need a team to go with them.
Will the SEC be content to take Maryland with VT?
Do they think they can pry NCST away from the other Carolinas, even if the ACC were to basically collapse?
I think the answer to both of those is "no."

Who's the most attractive team that's actually going to join a new conference?
FSU.

UF doesn't really have a problem with FSU in the SEC, they've tried to get them into the conference before. Their gentlemans agreement also loses its power when you're voting for a 16th member, with no ability to expand after that. Finally, I think the SEC will look at it and realize a few things:

1. FSU is a more valuable member than any other school they have a chance to get. Maryland or NCST vs Georgia won't move many dials, but FSU vs Georgia sure would. The state is big enough to support two teams, California has four in the Pac and Texas has like six in the Big 12.

2. It's better to have 2 Florida schools in the conference than to let 10-15 other schools into the Florida recruiting grounds. FSU has proven they'll get their players. Being in the SEC won't really even help them in recruiting. It will hurt teams like WVU, Clemson, OU and the Texas schools, who won't have any connections to Florida, unlike if FSU went to the Big 12. By getting FSU in the SEC, you keep a vast majority of Florida talent in the SEC.

3. With FSU in the SEC, no other conference will ever approach them in football power or television appeal. You could merge any two other conferences and I'd still probably take the SEC.


TLDR; I predict the SEC takes VT and FSU, leaving the Big 12 with Clemson and a bag of #$%@ tacos.

But I like fish tacos.....

[SoonerLibertarian]

I dunno.14 is a good number. Getting to 16 without ND seems pretty pointless to me. Just more mouths to feed.

14 seems pointless to me. I would be for 16 and then petitioning for a semifinal. And a semifinal would be great if you think about it because we can basically have 3 venues all over where the new Big 12/16 is at. One in Dallas of course. One in Florida and maybe one somewhere in Jersey or New York if we add Rutgers.

[LASooner]

It would be illogical to play a semifinal in one city and the championship in another. You could rotate the games from year to year like the Dallas/Kansas City rotation we used to have, but the semi and championship game should be in the same city to save travel expenses for teams and fans.

[MadMex]

Don't overhype the semi's... there's still real playoff to hype. Semi's @ home fields.... championships @ neutral fields.... IMO

[GTSooner]

14 seems pointless to me. I would be for 16 and then petitioning for a semifinal. And a semifinal would be great if you think about it because we can basically have 3 venues all over where the new Big 12/16 is at. One in Dallas of course. One in Florida and maybe one somewhere in Jersey or New York if we add Rutgers.

RUTGERS! Great googly moogle, what are we coming too. No thanks!

[Redhawk]

It's beginning to get clearer.

The crux of this whole play is going to be where FSU lands. It seems like VT is now much more willing to jump ship to the SEC, but they need a team to go with them.
Will the SEC be content to take Maryland with VT?
Do they think they can pry NCST away from the other Carolinas, even if the ACC were to basically collapse?
I think the answer to both of those is "no."

Who's the most attractive team that's actually going to join a new conference?
FSU.

UF doesn't really have a problem with FSU in the SEC, they've tried to get them into the conference before. Their gentlemans agreement also loses its power when you're voting for a 16th member, with no ability to expand after that. Finally, I think the SEC will look at it and realize a few things:

1. FSU is a more valuable member than any other school they have a chance to get. Maryland or NCST vs Georgia won't move many dials, but FSU vs Georgia sure would. The state is big enough to support two teams, California has four in the Pac and Texas has like six in the Big 12.

2. It's better to have 2 Florida schools in the conference than to let 10-15 other schools into the Florida recruiting grounds. FSU has proven they'll get their players. Being in the SEC won't really even help them in recruiting. It will hurt teams like WVU, Clemson, OU and the Texas schools, who won't have any connections to Florida, unlike if FSU went to the Big 12. By getting FSU in the SEC, you keep a vast majority of Florida talent in the SEC.

3. With FSU in the SEC, no other conference will ever approach them in football power or television appeal. You could merge any two other conferences and I'd still probably take the SEC.


TLDR; I predict the SEC takes VT and FSU, leaving the Big 12 with Clemson and a bag of #$%@ tacos.

lol.......lot of typing there.

[thejackdog]

Sailors like ****s

No I do not! You take that back!!!

I like my women easy, but I ain't paying for them.

[thejackdog]

Also, while we are all talking crazy like Rutgers and ****...why don't we add Maine, Idaho, Montana and whoever else the **** sounds stupid. FSU and Clemson. Those will be the money schools. I don't want to be like the B1G. If we are called the Big XII, then by god, we should have XII.

[atownsooner]

i say if fsu is being hesitant, then lets go after clemson and georgia tech. good markets, new states for the conference footprint, and will get the wheels turning on adding two more from the acc

[OUrage]

Take a chance on South Florida. If Miami is truly sailing off into the sunset, USF might can take their place as a dominate team. There's enough talent down there for it to happen.

South Florida is an interesting option. They have made tremendous strides since adding football to their program and by giving them major conference status they will only get better. The more I think about it the more I like it.

[MeMyself&Me]

South Florida is an interesting option. They have made tremendous strides since adding football to their program and by giving them major conference status they will only get better. The more I think about it the more I like it.

There is absolutely no reason to 'give someone a chance' at this time. The only reason for the Big 12 to do so would be if they had a 'home run' addition to make the conference at odd numbers and needed one more school to make it even. In that case, I'd bet on UL.

[suncoastsooner]

South Florida is an interesting option. They have made tremendous strides since adding football to their program and by giving them major conference status they will only get better. The more I think about it the more I like it.

USF is also one of the largest colleges in the country. It's alumni base dwarfs that of Miami's.

[MeMyself&Me]

USF is also one of the largest colleges in the country. It's alumni base dwarfs that of Miami's.

They would still come in as a welfare case to start... receiving more than they bring. I would have argued for USF last year when the Big 12 looked like it needed something, anything, to get back to having a championship game for national respect. There's a lot of upside potential in USF. But that would be down the road and potential is often not realized. The Big 12 is in a better position to get schools that can pay their own way right now so no reason to go and get USF.

[SoonerLibertarian]

The only reason to get USF is as a natural rival to Florida State.

[OUrage]

USF is also one of the largest colleges in the country. It's alumni base dwarfs that of Miami's.

This. And I live in the Tampa Bay area. USF has recently beaten Miami and they have given Florida a run for their money. I think with the funds received from the Big XII USF could be a major player rather quickly.

OR

Somehow use a USF offer to force Florida States hand

[SleestakkSooner]

I am honestly embarrassed that OU fans have swallowed the couch burning Kool Aid. WVU got snubbed by the SEC and the ACC...so they end up in the DUMP that is the Big 12. The reason the national media is laughing is because no school with options will join this disaster. No ACC school will join the Big 12 and neither will ND. After the couch burning circle jerk ends you will see why Tulane was mentioned as a possible Big 12 target....nobody wants to be partners with Texas because Texas doesnt have partners.

A lot of the rumors are coming from FSU and Clemson. If you think they have no interest in the Big XII then you're just not paying attention.

[BoulderSooner]

I am honestly embarrassed that OU fans have swallowed the couch burning Kool Aid. WVU got snubbed by the SEC and the ACC...so they end up in the DUMP that is the Big 12. The reason the national media is laughing is because no school with options will join this disaster. No ACC school will join the Big 12 and neither will ND. After the couch burning circle jerk ends you will see why Tulane was mentioned as a possible Big 12 target....nobody wants to be partners with Texas because Texas doesnt have partners.

troll much

[Sooner Showtime]

@GSwaim

#ACC doing everything possible to keep #FSU, and already hammering out deals to give them a larger share, but at expense of other schools?

This may actually be the very worst thing the #ACC can do. Sucking up to #FSU, upsets #VaTech, #Clemson and others. #Big12 waiting

Is #FSU interested in deal?" // They need the cash, but #ACC can only give so much. #Big12 has already offered buyout.

As cash strapped as #FSU is, with #Big12 offering #ACC buyout, it's a deal the #Noles will have a hard time passing up, unless #SEC offers.

#Big12 denying #FSU talks, not wanting to look like bad guy, but they've talked over last 3 mos thru intermediaries, and offered ACC buyout.

[lauderdaleOU]

@GSwaim

#ACC doing everything possible to keep #FSU, and already hammering out deals to give them a larger share, but at expense of other schools?

This may actually be the very worst thing the #ACC can do. Sucking up to #FSU, upsets #VaTech, #Clemson and others. #Big12 waiting

Is #FSU interested in deal?" // They need the cash, but #ACC can only give so much. #Big12 has already offered buyout.

As cash strapped as #FSU is, with #Big12 offering #ACC buyout, it's a deal the #Noles will have a hard time passing up, unless #SEC offers.

#Big12 denying #FSU talks, not wanting to look like bad guy, but they've talked over last 3 mos thru intermediaries, and offered ACC buyout.

Anyone else already annoyed with the hash tag ****???

[NAMLOOT]

Anyone else already annoyed with the hash tag ****???

It ain't going away... So we might as well deal with it. But I feel your pain.

[The]

It ain't going away... So we might as well deal with it. But I feel your pain.

NAMLOOT doesn't feel pain.

NAMLOOT deals pain.

[Redhawk]

@GSwaim

#ACC doing everything possible to keep #FSU, and already hammering out deals to give them a larger share, but at expense of other schools?

This may actually be the very worst thing the #ACC can do. Sucking up to #FSU, upsets #VaTech, #Clemson and others. #Big12 waiting

Is #FSU interested in deal?" // They need the cash, but #ACC can only give so much. #Big12 has already offered buyout.

As cash strapped as #FSU is, with #Big12 offering #ACC buyout, it's a deal the #Noles will have a hard time passing up, unless #SEC offers.

#Big12 denying #FSU talks, not wanting to look like bad guy, but they've talked over last 3 mos thru intermediaries, and offered ACC buyout.

You might as well quote the receptionist at your work over Greg Swaim.

[OUrage]

perhaps we can buy FSU to join if all landthieves offer our vCash