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I think Obama not only loses, but loses BIG.
What say yOU?
It's the economy, stupid. It always is. Dude had 4 years and ****ed it up with his own party in charge and IMO can't say **** now. People are hurting financially and he didn't do **** to help. No budget in 4 years? It's a joke. This guy is a fraud.
I don't like Romney, but something must be done and we need some Hope and Change in these parts.
Obama will win. I'm not a supporter, just saying that is how I see the outcome.
By the way, you wanted to bet on the outcome. I responded. I never saw any acceptance from you. Do we have a deal or not?
IMO if Der Leader wins it will be very close. If Romney wins I think it will be not very close. I can also see Romney winning the electoral vote and DL the popular vote(racking up big vote totals in the big blue states but getting the same amount of votes as if he barely won). Just an unecucated guess.
i think the country loses no matter who wins out of obama/romney
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Yes we have a deal.Originally Posted by Stinger_1066
Don't count me out, I've already got 4 people that have agreed to write me in.
I'm predicting:
1. Me
2. Obama
3. Romney
4. Johnson
Yeah, the dead guy should finish last, well at least most of the time.
Drunk Sooner's got my vote.
Too many herp-derpers out there. They either A) think there's no difference in Romney/Obama and thus won't vote and B) think Obama's doing a great job and will vote for Obama despite a terrible economy that Obama himself can't define (some days "the economy is back!" other days "it's Bush's fault")
C) I know many that are voting for Paul regardless.
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Make that 5, we're gaining ground, what other candidate has 25% increase in voter support in one day?
You a one percenter yet?
Did you quit trying to be?
California is the Administration's Dream Come True
Written by Roger Hedge****, former Mayor of San Diego
I live in California. If you were wondering what living in Obama's
second term would be like, wonder no longer. We in California are
living there now.
California is a one-party state dominated by a virulent Democrat Left
enabled by a complicit media where every agency of local, county, and
state government is run by and for the public employee unions.
The unemployment rate is 12%.
California has more folks on food stamps than any other state, has added
so many benefits and higher rates to Medicaid that we call it "Medi-Cal."
Our K-12 schools have more administrators than teachers, with smaller
classes but lower test scores and higher dropout rates with twice the
per-student budget of 15 years ago. Good job, Brownie.
This week, the once and current Gov. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown had to
confess that the "balanced" state budget adopted five months ago was
billions in the red because actual tax revenues were billions lower than
the airy-fairy revenue estimates on which the balance was predicated.
After trimming legislators' perks and reducing the number of cell
phones provided to state civil servants, the governor intoned that
drastic budget reductions had already hollowed out state programs for
the needy, law enforcement and our schoolchildren. California
government needed more money.
Echoing the Occupy movement, the governor proclaimed the rich must
pay their fair share. Fair share? The top 1% of California income earners
currently pays 50% of the state's income tax.
California has seven income tax brackets. The top income tax rate is 9.3%,
which is slapped on the greedy rich earning at least $47,056 a year. Income
of more than $1 million pays the "millionaires' and billionaires'" surcharge
tax rate of 10.3%.
Brown's proposal would add 2% for income over $250,000. A million dollar
income would then be taxed at 12.3%. And that's just for the state.
Brown also proposed a one-half-cent sales tax increase, which would bring
sales taxes (which vary by county) up to 7.75% to as much as 10%.
Both tax increases would be on the ballot in 2012.
The sales tax increase proposal immediately brought howls of protest from
the Left (of Brown!). Charlie Eaton, a sociology grad student at UC Berkeley
and leader of the UC Student-Workers Union, said, "We've paid enough. It's time for millionaires to pay."
At least five other ballot measures to raise taxes are circulating for
signatures to get on the 2012 ballot in California. The governor's
proposals are the most conservative.
The Obama way doesn't end with taxes.
The governor and the state legislature continue to applaud the efforts
of the California High Speed Rail Authority to build a train connecting
Los Angeles and San Francisco. Even though the budget is three times
the voter-approved amount, and the first segment will only connect two
small towns in the agricultural Central Valley. But hey, if we build it,they will ride.
And we don't want to turn down the Obama bullet-train bucks Florida and
other states rejected because the operating costs would bankrupt them.
Can't happen here because we're already insolvent.
If we get into real trouble with the train, we'll just bring in the Chinese. It
worked with the Bay Bridge reconstruction. After the 1989 earthquake, the
bridge connecting Oakland and San Francisco was rebuilt with steel made in
China. Workers from China too. Paid for with money borrowed from China.
Makes perfect sense.
In California, we hate the evil, greedy rich (except the rich in
Hollywood, in sports, and in drug dealing). But we love people
who have broken into California to eat the bounty created by the
productive rich.
Illegals get benefits from various generous welfare programs, free
medical care, free schools for their kids, including meals, and of
course, instate tuition rates and scholarships too. Nothing's too good for our
guests.
To erase even a hint of criticism of illegal immigration, the
California Legislature is considering a unilateral state amnesty.
Democrat State ****emblyman Felipe Fuentes has proposed an initiative
that would bar deportation of illegal’s from California.
Interesting dilemma for Obama there. If immigration is exclusively a
federal matter, and Obama has sued four states for trying to enforce
federal immigration laws he won't enforce, what will the President do
to a California law that exempts California from federal immigration law?
California is also near fulfilling the environmentalist dream of
deindustrialization.
After driving out the old industrial base (auto and airplane ****embly, for
example), air and water regulators and tax policies are now driving out the
high-tech, biotech and even Internet-based companies that were supposed
to be California's future.
The California cap-and-trade tax on business in the name of reducing
CO2 makes our state the leader in wacky environmentalism and guarantees
a further job exodus from the state.
Even green energy companies can't do business in California. Solyndra
went under, taking its taxpayer loan guarantee with it.
No job is too small to escape the regulators. The state has even
banned weekend amateur gold miners from the historic gold mining streams
in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
In fact, more and more of California's public land is off-limits to
recreation by the people who paid for that land. Unless you're
illegal.
Then you can clear the land, set up marijuana plantations at will,
bring in fertilizers that legal farmers can no longer use, exploit
illegal farm workers who live in hovels with no running water or
sanitation, and protect your investment with armed illegals carrying
guns no California citizen is allowed to own.
The rest of us only found out about these plantations when the
workers' open campfire started one of those devastating fires that
have killed hundreds of people and burned out thousands of homes
in California over the last decade.
It's often said that whatever happens in California will soon happen in your state.
You'd better hope that's wrong.
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As of today, I think Obama will win, however it'll be VERY close.
I'm still trying, in spite of the Obama economy.
If he's a liberal, he never started trying.
Make that 6. Guns and Dope party for America!!!!!
A C-note, correct?
Some things to remember in November; surprisingly
sent from a former Clinton supporter from Hope, AR.!
• After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously,he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.
• As a venture-capitalist, Romney's first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies.
That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people.
• Romney or his company BainCapital (using what became known as the "Bain Way") would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply,
and many others.
Got your calculators handy? Let's recap.
• Volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year.
• Unpaid intern in Governor's office 8 years.
• Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years.
• Unpaid bishop and state president for his church 10 years.
• Took no salary as president of the Salt Lake Olympics 3 years.
• No salary as MA governor 4 years.
• Gave his ENTIRE INHERITANCE to charity.
• That's a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that's the kind of man Mitt Romney is.
And He’ll show you his:
1) Un-doctored Birth Certificate!
2) College transcripts!
3) Law degree!
4) Un-doctored Draft notice!
5) & Un-doctored Social Security card, and what state it's registered in!
Isn’t it time for a REAL CHANGE?
A brighter HOPE for America?
No more downing the opposition?
Mitt Romney – A True American for President!
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I think obama wins. (very close)
However I think that MR could win the general (49% to 48%) and obama wins the EC (281-257)
I love MR and think he would be a fantastic president. He'll just need to win ALL the swing states, and defeat the bias MSM.
Good map (despite being from HP:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...electoral-map#
Drunk Sooner wins in a nail bitter. Massive kegger celebration follows.
Yep that is Mitt's main hurdle IMO....
# of times ABC has done a story/brought up Mitt Romney's monetary worth so far = 17
# of times ABC brought up John Kerry's monetary worth during his entire campaign = 2
The other networks have even worse ratios in this regard as ABC was the most "fair"(17-2) but yea Fox is just horrible the other networks are all we need and are not the liberal versions of Fox or anything
(MSNBC is 25x worse than FOX as any objective person would have to agree as most of the time they do not even have guests on their shows that are allowed to even attempt to offer the "other" view)
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Let me see. Won $50 on the Preakness, and will win $50 from Irish's dad, and $100 from PBS. I'll be able to buy quite a few turkeys for the homeless shelter Christm**** dinner.
Don't count your politicians till they hatch....
Agree.Yep that is Mitt's main hurdle IMO....
# of times ABC has done a story/brought up Mitt Romney's monetary worth so far = 17
# of times ABC brought up John Kerry's monetary worth during his entire campaign = 2
The other networks have even worse ratios in this regard as ABC was the most "fair"(17-2) but yea Fox is just horrible the other networks are all we need and are not the liberal versions of Fox or anything
(MSNBC is 25x worse than FOX as any objective person would have to agree as most of the time they do not even have guests on their shows that are allowed to even attempt to offer the "other" view)
What amazes me is bush screws it all up and republicans blame Obama.. Was there not anyone in the republican party who knew it would take AT LEAST 8 years to get our country back on track ? Seriously, Did you believe we would be doing great as an economy in a couple of years ? Or even 4 years ? It was a well known fact that when your hero{bush} left office the wheels were quickly coming off and things would continue to get worse.. Yet when things continue to get worse AS EXPECTED you repubs blame Obama.. The working man doesn't stand a chance if romney wins the election.. Your kidding yourselves if you believe differently.. I don't think ANYONE is as dumb as bush but romney can't possibly be much better.. Are you paying more taxes since bush left office ? If so I don't feel sorry for you because you can afford to pay more. Hell, Even YOUR favorite hero{reagan} said the rich should pay more, Yet, Today your parties leaders say they shouldn't.. WAKE UP PEOPLE ! ! ! BTW, ANYONE who voted for bush TWICE is an idiot plain and simple.. I think Obama wins a close race..
Republicans screwed it up? Lol...
Blame goes both ways but if you really want to point fingers point them slightly left.
Don't you mean "Festivus" dinner?
Obama can't get a full house at his fundraisers. It's going to be tough to get a bunch of people to all show up at the polls for him.
Ok , Both parties deserve blame for sure.
It didn't take Reagan 8 years...
It wasn't as bad not even close.. Besides reagan sucked..
I think Obama wins, close to Bush-Kerry numbers.
Ok, Clinton sucked. Please describe in detail how Obama (or Clinton) were/are better than Reagan.
We had 19% interest rates, rampant growth in the consumer price index, and a prolonged period of high unemployment. Sounds like Reagan had it worse.
Things are starting to look better for Romney. I think this may be an actual trend and not just the tide coming in in the polls. Even Rove thinks so:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...mod=hp_opinion
By KARL ROVE
On Tuesday, Gallup's seven-day tracking poll had Barack Obama and Mitt Romney tied at 46%. With the incumbent stuck below 50% on the ballot and Mr. Romney's favorability rising, the Republican challenger has a good shot at winning.
To take the White House, Mr. Romney needs 270 votes in the Electoral College. A "3-2-1" strategy will get him there.
If Mr. Romney carries the states John McCain won in 2008 and regains Nebraska's second district (the state awards three of its five electoral votes by congressional district, the other two to the statewide winner), the Electoral College will be 14 votes closer than the 365-to-173 total in 2008. That's because the 2010 Census cost blue states such as Massachusetts, New York and Illinois congressional seats—and electoral votes—while red states such as South Carolina, Georgia and Texas gained seats.
None of Mr. McCain's states appear in real jeopardy for the GOP this year.
After this initial hurdle, Mr. Romney's victory road starts with "3"—as in Indiana, North Carolina and Virginia, a trio of historically Republican states. In 2008, Mr. Obama won by narrow margins in Indiana (barely 1%) and North Carolina (0.32%).
Today, even Team Obama doesn't pretend Indiana is in play. North Carolina also appears to be sliding away from the president: A May 14 Rasmussen poll of likely voters showed 51% for Romney, 43% for Obama. Virginia, on the other hand, will likely remain a battleground through Election Day. Mr. Obama carried it by more than six points and remains ahead by a little more than three points, according to the RealClearPolitics average of state polls.
Nevertheless, if Mr. Romney can put these states' combined 39 electoral votes back into the GOP column, the Electoral College vote would be 319 for Mr. Obama, 219 for Mr. Romney.
Next up is "2"—as in Florida and Ohio. They flipped from Republican in 2004 to Democratic in 2008. Both were close—a 2.8% margin for Mr. Obama in the former and 4.6% in the latter.
The president's commanding lead in Florida among Jews has been sagging, his lead among Latinos has sharply narrowed, and seniors are restless. In Ohio he has definite problems with white working-cl**** voters and affluent suburban independents. The race is extremely close in the Buckeye State—a May 7 Quinnipiac poll of registered voters has Mr. Romney at 44%, Mr. Obama at 45%—while a May 21 Quinnipiac poll of registered voters in the Sunshine State has Mr. Romney up 47% to 41%.
These two states have a combined 47 electoral votes. If Mr. Romney wins them, the Electoral College would stand at 272 for Mr. Obama, 266 for Mr. Romney.
Which brings us to "1." Mr. Romney then needs one more state—any state—and the White House is his.
There are many paths open to him. One is the Neighborhood route. If the Boston resident and former Massachusetts governor captures next-door New Hampshire, its four electoral votes would take him to the magical 270 and the Oval Office.
There's also the Great Lakes route through Michigan (16 electoral votes), Pennsylvania (20) and Wisconsin (10). Of these, Michigan may be the toughest. But Mr. Obama's antipathy toward coal, added to problems with working-cl**** whites and suburban independents, puts Pennsylvania in play. A May 21 Rasmussen poll of likely voters had the president ahead by six percentage points.
And if Gov. Scott Walker survives his June 5 recall by a healthy margin, Wisconsin could also be up for grabs—as it was in 2000 and 2004, when Democrats carried it by extremely narrow margins. A May 12 Marquette University Law School poll of likely voters shows the presidential race in Wisconsin tied at 46%.
The Western route is Colorado (nine electoral votes), Nevada (six) or New Mexico (five). An April 23 Purple Strategies Poll of likely voters has the race tied in Colorado at 47%.
With the nation's highest unemployment rate (11.7%), Nevadans remember Mr. Obama's notorious bashing of Las Vegas in 2010: "When times are tough, you tighten your belts. . . . You don't blow a bunch of cash in Vegas . . ." Meanwhile, New Mexico has a popular Republican Latina governor, Susana Martinez.
Then there's the Plains route. Iowa (six electoral votes) launched Mr. Obama in 2008 but National Journal's Hotline reports Team Obama is targeting it for special attention with TV ads, evidence of its worry.
Mr. Obama long ago lost his chance to duplicate his 2008 performance. A record of failure will do that. He's now forced to fight for states he easily won in 2008. The odds now narrowly favor a Romney win.
I'm starting to get the feeling Roms may trounce Obama. When you see polls that have undecideds in them, I cannot imagine one undecided going for Obama--you've pretty much got your mind made up on him by now, and if you're not sure, you'll go Roms. The second thing is, O can't fill up his fundraisers. That's pretty weird for a guy as charismatic as he was. The shine is off--Occupy is going to raise hell this summer, gas always goes up in the summer, the EU is teetering, and the fuse is lit in the Middle East.
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Yeah because that $450 million dollars came out of thin air....
I'll throw my vote your way as well. Will you invite us over to drink in the White House if you win?
Bump for beelzeBob.
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