can't cure da ****s......

**okie52** · 08-20-2012 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by jdmt37

I'm a ****.

Are you trapped in a man's body?

**Irish_Sooner** · 08-20-2012 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by whatitis

I never said I liked CNN or MSNBC or any of them. MSNBC is very left leaning. I don't care for them either. CNN is slightly left and probably give the least biased but there is bias in it. I understand that there is bias in the media. It's nearly impossible to avoid it as a consumer. With that being said I don't trust any of them.

That is a consistent way to look at it and is something I can respect. Also I was attempting to separate my second comment to indicate it was not directed specifically to you I probably should have a done a better job of that

**Irish_Sooner** · 08-20-2012 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by okie52

What about those bisexuals? Switch hitters at birth?

Or what about this lady that I knew who claimed she was straight for most of her life but after having a bad experience with men(I believe she was "legitimately ****d"... Todd's term and had a difficult marriage/divorce) she became ****?

Obviously not all ****s are born that way and from everything I have read/seen on the subject that is the only thing that can be said with absolute certainty on that aspect of the subject.

**Aurora** · 08-20-2012 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by okie52

Are you trapped in a man's body?

if so call Maury

**heff** · 08-20-2012 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by oucub23

What evidence do you have that 'it is a fox news article so it's more than likely stupid?' Or are you simply talking out of your ****?

Here's one: http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

And some more:

Stanford University Poll: "Frequent Viewers Of Fox News Are Less Likely To Accept Scientists' Views Of Global Warming." A December 2010 report conducted by Stanford University and supported by a grant from the National Science Foundation "explores whether the flow of doubt-arousing messaging might have persuaded Americans who watch Fox News to reject the views espoused by many mainstream natural scientists on the issue." The outcome of the study was that "exposure to skeptical views about global warming can be effective at changing the opinions of viewers." The report was titled, "Frequent Viewers of Fox News Are Less Likely to Accept Scientists' Views of Global Warming." [Stanford University Research Study, December 2010]

Fox Viewers Are More Likely To Be Misinformed On Health Care Reform. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll conducted in February regarding the public's understanding of the health care reform law found: "There were also differences by where people get their information with higher shares of those who report CNN (35 percent) or MSNBC (39 percent) as their primary news source getting 7 or more right, compared to those that report mainly watching FOX News (25 percent). Again, these differences may be related to whether or not people more generally favor or oppose the law." [Kaiser Family Foundation, "****essing Americans' Familiarity With The Health Care Law," February 2011]

Ohio State University: "Fox News Contributes To Spread Of Rumors About Proposed NYC Mosque." An October 14, 2010, study conducted by Ohio State University titled, "Fox News Contributes to Spread of Rumors About Proposed NYC Mosque" concluded that "CNN and NPR promote more accurate beliefs," and that Fox viewers "believe more of the rumors" about the NYC mosque and "they believe them more strongly than those who do not." Among the key findings in the study:

People who use Fox News, either online or on television, are more aware of false rumors about the Islamic community center and mosque than those who do not.

For example, respondents who reported a low reliance on Fox News stated hearing 1.4 rumors (out of 4) on average. In comparison, if the same respondent reported a high reliance on Fox News, they would report hearing 1.9 rumors on average, an increase of 35%.

In contrast, reliance on other cable news networks, including CNN and MSNBC, does not influence rumor exposure.

We can only speculate about why this is. For example, perhaps Fox News spent a disproportionate amount of time covering the issue. Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism August 1622 News Coverage Index noted cable news "coverage [of the mosque controversy] was intense" with conservative commentators strongly attacking the proposed mosque project and devoting significant airtime to the issue (see http://www.journalism.org).

We also cannot say whether this finding was due to exposure to Fox's hard news programming, its editorial programming, or its website. The survey did not distinguish between these different aspects of the news network.

People who use Fox News, either online or on television, are more aware of false rumors about the Islamic community center and mosque than those who do not.

For example, a typical respondent who reported a low reliance on Fox News believed .9 rumors on average. If that same respondent reported a high reliance on Fox News, the average number of rumors believed increased by 66% to 1.5.

This is not just a product of increased exposure. Even among people with comparable rumor exposure, those who got their news from Fox believed more rumors. [Ohio State University Communications Department Study on Fox News, 10/14/10 emphasis in the original]

Fox News Cited As A Major Source Of Misinformation During The 2010 Election. A December 10, 2010, study titled "Misinformation and the 2010 Election" that was conducted by World Public Opinion, a project of the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland, showed that regular Fox News viewers "were significantly more likely" to hold misinformed views. From the study:

Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that:

most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
the economy is getting worse (26 points)
most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)
the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)
their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)
the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)
when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)
and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

These effects increased incrementally with increasing levels of exposure and all were statistically significant. The effect was also not simply a function of partisan bias, as people who voted Democratic and watched Fox News were also more likely to have such misinformation than those who did not watch it--though by a lesser margin than those who voted Republican.

There were cases with some other news sources as well.

Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates.

Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.

All of these effects were statistically significant. [The University of Maryland, World Public Opinion Study on Misinformation During the 2010 Election, 12/10/10]

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll: Fox News Viewers Overwhelmingly Misinformed About Health Care Reform Proposals. An August 19, 2009, post to Think Progress summarized the results of an NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll. From the post:

Here's another way to look at the misinformation: In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly. But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma. What's more, a good chunk of folks who get their news from broadcast TV (NBC, ABC, CBS) believe these things, too. This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself. These numbers should worry Democratic operatives, as well as the news media that have been covering this story.

Fox News regularly distorts the truth about health care reform. Last week, Media Matters found that over a two day period opponents of health care reform outnumbered supporters by a 6-to-1 margin on Fox. [NBC News/Wall Street Journal via Think Progress, 8/19/09, emphasis in the original]

**oucub23** · 08-20-2012 04:45 PM

A whole lot here, but here goes.

1. Which scientists? Those saying man causes it, or those that say man has little if any impact?
2. I need to see the questions in the survey on the health care law to gauge if they were fair and accurate. My suspicion is they're not.
3. 'We also cannot say whether this finding was due to exposure to Fox's hard news programming, its editorial programming, or its website. The survey did not distinguish between these different aspects of the news network.' Their survey is flawed to the point of not being valid for citation. As I said earlier in the thread, if it was a Hannity link, okay.
4. most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely)
Our President said our unemployment might go over 7 if we don't p**** the stimulus--we're at 8. What caused it? Job markets aren't helped by getting credit downgraded, and spending did that.

most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points)
Most? Which economists? Too many generalities. Yes, upping the # of people covered is going to worsen the deficit.

the economy is getting worse (26 points)

It's getting better??
most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points)

Depends on your gauge here, once again. The climate is always in change. That's kind of the deal.

the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points)

Don't know on this one.

their own income taxes have gone up (14 points)

Don't know on this one.

the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points)

Well, this could likely be b/c Obama has been rolling around taking credit for this ... if he says it, and people see him say it, that's Fox's fault?

when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points)

I honestly don't think TARP has been explained very well to anyone--and I don't think the possibilities if TARP wasn't passed are actually considered.

and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)

Hell, Obama encouraged this. It made birthers look more numerous than they were, and helped him marginalize them.

As to health care, people believing it will lead to a takeover aren't nuts. Obama has said this is a step in that direction. Additionally, eliminating pre-existings and increasing what is required to be covered is driving policy costs up--many people are reaching a point where they aren't going to be able to afford coverage. When that happens, do you not think the government will step in and say, "we'll cover you!" We've already seen a large expansion in Medicaid and SSI coverage.

What abortion misperception? That tax dollars will fund it? Don't tax dollars fund PP? Isn't PP an abortion factory? Pulling the plug? Comes from the complete lives thing, and the results of rationing.

Finally, using Media Matters to cite anything is a loser. I wouldn't trust a Media Matters study to tell me if my kid's been sneaking cookies from the cookie jar.