Israel is the most dangerous regime in the history of Man.

[OUMallen]

First of all, I call bull****.

Secondly, the **** rockets already kinda sorta reach Tel Aviv. Sorta. This is not a development.

Third, if highly accurate and deadly Iranian rockets/missiles are at the Gazans disposal, let's discuss:
1- Israel never said **** about this TERRIFYING DEVELOPMENT, although they constantly decry not-yet-existing Iranian nukes.
2- Israel is so scared, they...did not launch a ground ****ault. Hmmmmm. Either this report is bull**** or it is relatively benign compared to the status quo if even true.
3- how in God's green **** are Iranian sophisticated rockets making into Gaza when Israel controls every Haza border and the US spies all of it??!!

Dude. Grow up. Use your noggin. I'm not denying the vague possibility that the Gazans got their hands on something worse than what they had. But to freak show over a clearly crap Fox News report? Please. Lets just get another pint, brother.

[sheepdogs]

First of all, I call bull****.

Secondly, the **** rockets already kinda sorta reach Tel Aviv. Sorta. This is not a development.

Third, if highly accurate and deadly Iranian rockets/missiles are at the Gazans disposal, let's discuss:
1- Israel never said **** about this TERRIFYING DEVELOPMENT, although they constantly decry not-yet-existing Iranian nukes.
2- Israel is so scared, they...did not launch a ground ****ault. Hmmmmm. Either this report is bull**** or it is relatively benign compared to the status quo if even true.
3- how in God's green **** are Iranian sophisticated rockets making into Gaza when Israel controls every Haza border and the US spies all of it??!!

Dude. Grow up. Use your noggin. I'm not denying the vague possibility that the Gazans got their hands on something worse than what they had. But to freak show over a clearly crap Fox News report? Please. Lets just get another pint, brother.

Are there underground tunnels into Gaza or not? And if there are then what is not allowed free passage?

[Nazgul]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...issile-crisis/



now what do you think mallenhead?

If Fox News and a pro-Israeli guys say it, then it must be true. so yeah, kill all dem gaza kids.

[TIMB0B]

Are there underground tunnels into Gaza or not? And if there are then what is not allowed free passage?

Did we find those WMDs yet, that Saddam Hussein was hiding?

[87sooner]

Did we find those WMDs yet, that Saddam Hussein was hiding?

cub believes we did.......and if anyone knows the truth.....it's cub

[87sooner]

First of all, I call bull****.

Secondly, the **** rockets already kinda sorta reach Tel Aviv. Sorta. This is not a development.

Third, if highly accurate and deadly Iranian rockets/missiles are at the Gazans disposal, let's discuss:
1- Israel never said **** about this TERRIFYING DEVELOPMENT, although they constantly decry not-yet-existing Iranian nukes.
2- Israel is so scared, they...did not launch a ground ****ault. Hmmmmm. Either this report is bull**** or it is relatively benign compared to the status quo if even true.
3- how in God's green **** are Iranian sophisticated rockets making into Gaza when Israel controls every Haza border and the US spies all of it??!!

Dude. Grow up. Use your noggin. I'm not denying the vague possibility that the Gazans got their hands on something worse than what they had. But to freak show over a clearly crap Fox News report? Please. Lets just get another pint, brother.

you've already had enuf.....
things aren't always as they seem wrt to isreal and this conflict...
but they are ALWAYS as they seem wrt to your dumbazzedness.....
you really ought to stop using the term "intellectually dishonest".....

[oucub23]

cub believes we did.......and if anyone knows the truth.....it's cub

87 knows we didn't .......... and if anyone knows how to ignore facts or evidence ......... it's 87

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...ising-results/

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/2...found-in-iraq/

[sheepdogs]

Did we find those WMDs yet, that Saddam Hussein was hiding?

Rather blithering.

[TIMB0B]

Rather blithering.

So is this never ending debate about a ****ing border thousands of miles away while we ignore our own borders.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

So is this never ending debate about a ****ing border thousands of miles away while we ignore our own borders.

I disagree considering Israel is capable of ending the entire world all by themselves and many Americans (right and left) are in lockstep support for all things Israel.

We aren't going to nuke Mexico anytime soon, so I say let the cheap labor flow through and let us focus on preventing end times prophecies from fulfilling themselves.

[TIMB0B]

I disagree considering Israel is capable of ending the entire world all by themselves and many Americans (right and left) are in lockstep support for all things Israel.

We aren't going to nuke Mexico anytime soon, so I say let the cheap labor flow through and let us focus on preventing end times prophecies from fulfilling themselves.

I'm not concerned about the "took er jobs" border jumpers as much as the potential terrorists and drug smugglers (another reason to end the drug war). We worry more about screening our own citizens that are trying to leave the country, than people coming in.

Our priorities are backwards. We're protecting borders in Afghanistan, South Korea, and other countries when we should be protecting our own. We give billions in aid to foreign countries, when we're trillions in debt with our own aid programs here. I could go on.

And if people understood end time prophecy, they'd know there's nothing in there about a nation-state of Israel.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

I'm not concerned about the "took er jobs" border jumpers as much as the potential terrorists and drug smugglers (another reason to end the drug war). We worry more about screening our own citizens that are trying to leave the country, than people coming in.

Our priorities are backwards. We're protecting borders in Afghanistan, South Korea, and other countries when we should be protecting our own. We give billions in aid to foreign countries, when we're trillions in debt with our own aid programs here. I could go on.

And if people understood end time prophecy, they'd know there's nothing in there about a nation-state of Israel.

You are in the wrong thread if you want to tangent about the military industrial complex America perpetuates. This one is about Israel.

Plus you committed several fallacies. Which is very typical of a libertarian to shift the argument from a thing they hate (foreign policy) to something that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

So while your complaints are noted, and may have merit, they do nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand except to attempt to derail a popular thread that has remarkably remained on topic without people ****ting it up with nonsense remarks about South Korea.

As to your last line, what? That is the obvious, but it all centers around the Jews, which is (in part) why Israel was created.

[TIMB0B]

You are in the wrong thread if you want to tangent about the military industrial complex America perpetuates. This one is about Israel.

Plus you committed several fallacies. Which is very typical of a libertarian to shift the argument from a thing they hate (foreign policy) to something that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

So while your complaints are noted, and may have merit, they do nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand except to attempt to derail a popular thread that has remarkably remained on topic without people ****ting it up with nonsense remarks about South Korea.

As to your last line, what? That is the obvious, but it all centers around the Jews, which is (in part) why Israel was created.

After 17 pages, how much more can be argued about the Israel/Palenstine conflict? What can we honestly do to resolve the dispute?

[oucub23]

After 17 pages, how much more can be argued about the Israel/Palenstine conflict? What can we honestly do to resolve the dispute?

It's 41 pages on my phone.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

After 17 pages, how much more can be argued about the Israel/Palenstine conflict? What can we honestly do to resolve the dispute?

We can call our congress people and tell them to defund israel. If they want to make big boy decisions like ethnic cleansing, they can face the consequences.

Now I don't think we should allow Israel to be overran, but we need to hold them accountable for their actions and maybe help communicate that Palestine is the one getting shafted in this conflict. At least post 1967.

Start a new thread if you want to about American imperialism. I have a lot of thoughts about it.

[TIMB0B]

We can call our congress people and tell them to defund israel. If they want to make big boy decisions like ethnic cleansing, they can face the consequences.

Now I don't think we should allow Israel to be overran, but we need to hold them accountable for their actions and maybe help communicate that Palestine is the one getting shafted in this conflict. At least post 1967.

Start a new thread if you want to about American imperialism. I have a lot of thoughts about it.

Hey, I mentioned foreign aid. Give me a little credit there.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

Hey, I mentioned foreign aid. Give me a little credit there.

That is true. Israel exists because we give them a size able chunk of change annually. I wonder how it is used for domestic purposes. I haven't bothered to look into it, but now I am curious if it is used for peace or to further war.

[87sooner]

87 knows we didn't .......... and if anyone knows how to ignore facts or evidence ......... it's 87

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...ising-results/

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/2...found-in-iraq/

yup...i ignore those facts/evidence because it has NOTHING to do with the claims the bush admin made to justify going into iraq...
a few chemical munitions left over from the first gulf war.....a "lab" in a house.....? please...
if we had never gone into iraq....they would still be the same threat to us today as they were a decade ago.....nada...
and there was no al qaeda there either....just another bs lie ...
bush had a hardon for saddam and it cost this country billions of dollars and thousands of dead americans and thousands more injured and years of separated families and destroyed morale and on and on....

[pphilfran]

SH was going to push the boundary every chance he got...sooner or later he would have gone too far and like it or not we would have been in there...

[oucub23]

yup...i ignore those facts/evidence because it has NOTHING to do with the claims the bush admin made to justify going into iraq...
a few chemical munitions left over from the first gulf war.....a "lab" in a house.....? please...
if we had never gone into iraq....they would still be the same threat to us today as they were a decade ago.....nada...
and there was no al qaeda there either....just another bs lie ...
bush had a hardon for saddam and it cost this country billions of dollars and thousands of dead americans and thousands more injured and years of separated families and destroyed morale and on and on....

When did I ever say anything to the contrary. All I said was that they had them. They did. It seems that you like to read into what I'm saying.

[87sooner]

When did I ever say anything to the contrary. All I said was that they had them. They did. It seems that you like to read into what I'm saying.

so you continue to post meaningless info for no apparent reason? ok....good job..

[oucub23]

so you continue to post meaningless info for no apparent reason? ok....good job..

It's not meaningless to point out that the meme that there were no WMDs is inaccurate. Although pointing it out to someone that simply takes what parts of a discussion that he needs to be 'right' and disregards the rest is likely a waste of time. Interestingly, I didn't do that this time, until you came into the thread with your petty semantics and condescending posts and addressed me. You attempted to mock me because I pointed out that you were in fact wrong about WMDs. As a result, I cited 3 sources that showed the error of your post. After doing so, you changed what you said to something else--so you could appear right within the constructs you've built. It must echo pretty loudly in there.

[87sooner]

It's not meaningless to point out that the meme that there were no WMDs is inaccurate. Although pointing it out to someone that simply takes what parts of a discussion that he needs to be 'right' and disregards the rest is likely a waste of time. Interestingly, I didn't do that this time, until you came into the thread with your petty semantics and condescending posts and addressed me. You attempted to mock me because I pointed out that you were in fact wrong about WMDs. As a result, I cited 3 sources that showed the error of your post. After doing so, you changed what you said to something else--so you could appear right within the constructs you've built. It must echo pretty loudly in there.

the "constructs" were always in the context of bush's justification for war...

[oucub23]

the "constructs" were always in the context of bush's justification for war...

I would have paid large amounts of money for a double post there.

[VUGear]

SANTORUM: Iran Could Get A Nuclear Bomb If Chuck Hagel Is Confirmed As Secretary Of Defense

Time after time, Sen. Hagel has sought to distance the United States from Israel and refused to stop efforts to end terrorist attacks on Israel.

[Sinatra]

Did we find those WMDs yet, that Saddam Hussein was hiding?

After failing to find any, W changed his tune to the old "we needed to liberate the Iraqi citizens."

[okie52]

After failing to find any, W changed his tune to the old "we needed to liberate the Iraqi citizens."

Obama thought they were moved to Libya.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

Obama thought they were moved to Libya.

False. That was a NATO operation we ****isted in. Not a 10 year nation building war to help Halliburton's bottom line.

[okie52]

False. That was a NATO operation we ****isted in. Not a 10 year nation building war to help Halliburton's bottom line.

Lol

Libya's attack on he US was brutal.

obama got congressional approval for this noble war, didnt he?

[OUMallen]

Agree or disagree with this statement:

The United States should predicate the giving of financial and military aid to Israel on Israel's compliance with international law.

[oucub23]

Agree or disagree with this statement:

The United States should predicate the giving of financial and military aid to Israel on Israel's compliance with international law.

Disagree. I'd guess that 99% of the aid we send out goes to countries that don't comply with international law. Hell, we don't comply w/international law all the time either. Basing our decisions on international mood swings sounds like a bad idea to me.

[lokifz1]

The US gives aid to the Arabs known as Palestinians should we withhold their aid until they follow international law.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

Lol

Libya's attack on he US was brutal.

obama got congressional approval for this noble war, didnt he?

Lol

So was Iraq's, which is what we were talking about.

Also, not a war, doesn't fall under the war powers act. No ground troops, not the operation leader, and a conflict allies called for equals no war.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

The US gives aid to the Arabs known as Palestinians should we withhold their aid until they follow international law.

Maybe, if they were the aggressor your point might have merit.

[SoonerLibertarian]

We will continue the same foreign policy we've had the last 12+ years.

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

No one cares about Ron Paul.

[SoonerLibertarian]

Nobody really cares about the Bush clone we have in office. Isn't it funny how his foreign policy guys were pro Bush guys?

[OnlyOneOklahoma]

I do find it interesting that the president kept Bush people in the defense department. But I would say Hagel is at least a change of pace there. I think he is wary of israel, and may not blindly follow the Jews everywhere.

I will have to state you are wrong about no one caring about Obama. The majority of the country just voted him back into office.

[OUMallen]

Disagree. I'd guess that 99% of the aid we send out goes to countries that don't comply with international law. Hell, we don't comply w/international law all the time either. Basing our decisions on international mood swings sounds like a bad idea to me.

At least you're consistent.

And don't be ****ed. You know Israel is violating international law in a meaningful way when they're settling/stealing land that is not theirs. That's hardly a mood swing. It's hard to take you seriously when you say things like that.

[SoonerLibertarian]

I do find it interesting that the president kept Bush people in the defense department. But I would say Hagel is at least a change of pace there. I think he is wary of israel, and may not blindly follow the Jews everywhere.

I will have to state you are wrong about no one caring about Obama. The majority of the country just voted him back into office.

And it's not like most people voted. Combined he and Romney didn't even get half the country to vote.

[oucub23]

At least you're consistent.

And don't be ****ed. You know Israel is violating international law in a meaningful way when they're settling/stealing land that is not theirs. That's hardly a mood swing. It's hard to take you seriously when you say things like that.

Actually, you have a hard time taking anyone serious that disagrees with you. That's why you get so twisted up on here. We're giving Egypt aid. Are they complying with international law? We're giving N Korea aid last I saw. Are they? Afghanistan? Iraq? France (Mali)?

[nolesooner]

Oh, this stupid ****ing thread is still going? Awesome....

[pbc2003]

UN: Palestinian militants likely killed Gaza baby

An errant Palestinian rocket, not an Israeli airstrike, likely killed the baby of a BBC reporter during fighting in the Hamas-ruled territory last November, a U.N. report indicated, challenging the widely believed story behind an image that became a symbol of what Palestinians said was Israeli aggression.

http://news.yahoo.com/un-palestinian...143224704.html