Retroactively re-actively proactive?
But this Louisville, Directional Florida, Cincinnati, whatever bullshit has to stop.
It's not happening. Ever. If we were going to add shit schools like that, we would have already done it last year. And we were right not to do it then.
Right now, Id go with FSU, VT, CLEM and GT. Two or all four as long as we can get FSU.
If we can not add schools like FSU, Miami, Clemson and Louisville don't add. Stay where you are or jump to SEC. Crazy to add schools that do not bring TV viewers or recruiting grounds to a conference that needs to get stronger. I would add the four schools mentioned plus the two most attractive schools left to get to sixteen. Strong Schools equal strong TV packages plus these schools offer strong programs in other sports that would help our conference. Big 12 should be proactive instead of reactive, OU and Texas should not take back seat to anyone.
I think FSU would be a great add for the BigXII.
The national reputation of the league has already plummeted by replacing Nebraska and A&M with WVU and TCU. At this point, it's not about making the Big 12 better in the short term. We can't get better in the short term.
But we can do two things otherwise.
1) Get better over the next 10-15 years by projecting the growth of the two Florida schools. 2) Improve FLA recruiting for OU and UT (and others) by choosing to get into Central and South-Central and the Gulf of Florida.
And if you look at where Florida State was in the 1970s, they were basically where South Florida currently is. Approx. 10 years later, by the late 80's, FSU was a powerhouse.
When we last won the national title in 2000, South Florida was D2.
They've only been D1/FBS since 2001.
South Florida was already OUT of conference USA after TWO YEARS.
The all time winning percentage for their FB program is 60%. That's quite good.
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That's 64 teams. Now, what if I told you we could have the 53rd most valuable college football team according to Forbes?
More valuable than:
If you don't want to bother to click, obviously it's USF.
Okay, I'm done trying to sell the idea. Any resistance to USF speaks for itself at this point.
It's the same kind of people that resisted Louisville.
If there were better options, it would be a different conversation.
Central Florida is just an insurance policy for FL presence.
If FSU or Miami were added, it would create a footprint, but a USF or UCF (when added with FSU/Miami) would solidify the footprint in Central Florida
Any conference that has OU and Texas in it is considered a super league. The Big12 image on the field wouldn't be dinged if we added the Florida twin schools, The B1G just added Maryland for christ sake
NO ONE cares about shit schools. They exist to be the body bag OOC games, and pitch in an occasional upset. So, if the Big 12 were to bring any two shit schools of your choice, you've basically just added OOC games to your yearly schedule. Now, the Big 12 is dilluted because NO ONE cares about Louisville or UCF or USF or UTF or whatever. Then, the Big 10 decides to invite KU. What does KU do? Stay in a watered down conference or go play with the Big Boys? That's an obvious answer.
So, when KU leaves, then who do you add? That's right.... yet another shit school. And you're watered down some more. Then, the ACC invites WV. They leave. Without a second thought. Solution? Another shit school. Then say the SEC wants more presence in Texas, so they sweep up Tech. And so on...
Next thing you know, your position that "Any conference that has OU and Texas in it is considered a super league" is suddenly invalid. Top flight recruits want to play in big games, which the Conference USA/Big12 can't offer except OU/TX. Which leads to less top flight kids going to OU and Texas. Which makes the game less meaningful. And so on.
There is a reason we didn't add shit last year. Several very good reasons, actually. We are never going to add more mid majors because it only hurts the conference. Adding the wrong teams will destroy the Big 12. Adding the right teams (FSU/whomever) will solidify the conference. It doesn't matter how competitive a team is, or how well run their athletic department is, what matters is that people want to see good, exciting matchups. Everyone is excited about FSU. How stoked was anybody about the TCU game this year? "**** YES, it's TCU Week!" is what NOBODY said.
Raid the Mother F'in ACC........ FSU, Clemson, Miami, (insert whoever the hell you want). If you pick 2: I'm putting Clemson at #1, FSU at 2. You only need 1 school for recruiting in a state.... FSU will do. Clemson opens up SEC territory.
If we, as a conference, even think about adding anyone else I will be disappointed. We need names. Right now we have 2 names, and the stock is going down in both names (OU,ut).
I'll give you an example why:
Suppose you have two schools that need serious stadium renovations. Neither school has a donor that is either capable or willing to finance the project, so they have to sell bonds to pay for it. Under this shallow evaluation, even if all things are equal, if one school does it first, their value will plummet due to the debt they've just added which the other school does not have even though the other school will need to take on that debt at a later time and likely at a higher cost due to rising construction costs.
I would take a easy Florida win every other 2 years for recruiting purposes :shrug:
Please blow this conference up already. OU does not need to further dilution of brand by adding non helmet programs to an already watered down league. There is an enormous amount of strategic risk for OU with the status quo.
I like the USF idea. Could be a great investment.
I know I've had a few of these... I just like to get a visual of what the conference could look like. I'd prefer VPI over Tulane but, Tulane isn't tied to anyone like Va Tech is to Virginia.
Think about the 4th best program in both the states of CA and TX.
Now why isn't the 4th best program in FL already there?
Because they are young programs. Period.
The second reply is like saying the state of Texas only cares about UT and A&M. There may be elements of truth to that but it's certainly not a full picture. Florida HS football is high quality to say the least. That's what I am thinking of. Benefits for OU in the long term. Getting more of that rich FLA talent. In Feb 2012, one of every 120 HS players in Florida signed a D1/FBS LOI. That same signing day, it was one in 450 for both the state of Texas and the state of California. FTR, Oklahoma is 1 in 400.
And what if FSU sees that we've added USF (and possibly UCF)? Maybe it's the first PROACTIVE step in the long game to land some ACC schools.
Sounds like you know more about the Forbes valuation than I do.
It's just meant to convey that they aren't some rinky-dink outfit.
Hardly a typical "mid major" and a higher ceiling than the rest.
We probably can't get out.
We almost certainly can't add FSU level helmet schools.
And the status quo is very risky.
So expansion back to 12 is a natural step.
So which two, if you buy all of that?
Nobody wants to add a 'nobody' but we are in 5 ****ing states, 4 of which are Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa and West Virginia. What is the combined population? 10-12 million? And even then, we have the #2 school in Iowa. We absolutely need some presence down South where they are breeding all those beasts.
If the only resistance is bellyaching over brand-names, then that's not enough. Nobody this side of Berry Tramel wanted West Virginia other than FOX. And FOX counts for a lot, to say the least. ESPN too. I bet FOX would want USF. And I bet ESPN would want to get them out of the shithole Big East.
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Daddy says we're happy with Ten.
I really hope they change the "big12" name soon. Looks dumb if staying at 10 teams.
Three days after Dodds said that (which was before meetings started), the actual commissioner of the conference said this:
“Look at Maryland and Rutgers. They don’t bring programs that are of the ilk of the others in the Big Ten,” said Bowlsby, a former Iowa athletic director. “But the philosophy clearly is, ‘As members of the Big Ten, we can grow them.’ So, you can apply the same thinking to any possible addition.”
Just because the old man is flapping his gums, doesn't mean anyone is jumping to accommodate. If that were the case TCU wouldn't be in the league, among other things.
I'm surprised so many people don't understand that adding shit teams, makes a shit conference. We have too much dead weight already in this conference. The big12 has been weakened by realignment, both in perception and in reality. If we continue to add mid-major teams, that's what we'll become, a mid-major conference.
This strategy might lead some to believe it makes it easier for OU & tx to win the conference and remain a power. That would be wrong. What good does it do Boise to win their conference? They aren't getting into the postseason over a 2 loss SEC team. Our weakened conference makes it harder for us to win a national title and harder to gain access to the post season. Adding more weak teams makes a weak conference even weaker. This, in turn, will make OU & tx weaker in the long run. WAKE UP!!! We are asleep at the wheel and about to drive off the cliff.
To be honest, it would be better to add them, as they would (in general) represent an upgrade from whatever game a school would schedule on its own.
The only thing one can really hope for is that an undefeated team from your conference is guaranteed a spot. We have that now, and would continue to do so if we add a couple of doormats. This is NOT a Boise situation, doesn't even compare.
OSU and kstate would have been in the title game the last two years if not for unexpected losses to "doormats." We see from week to week how good some of these teams really are, and our schedule strength is already a bit too tough compared to what I would call a perfect scenario.
Someone explain to me again why OU and Texas even need a conference?
We've got independent T3 deals already, and sense we're the only two teams with any apparent value, couldn't we strike a better TV deal if we constructed an independent schedule as well?
It would take a hell of a coups to get our one loss team on equal footing with the SEC's one loss. Adding FSU and Miami doesn't get us there.
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