As I said though, that's not what the SEC wants to do. The point is that they COULD do it just as the Big 1G has. They also could make a deal with Fox or with NBC which is trying to start a sports network. It's the leverage that matters. The SEC has options and ESPN has built their CFB coverage around the SEC. The threat of it leaving would be devastating and thus they will pay just about anything to prevent that from happening and agree to just about anything the SEC wants in terms of content. It's a win/win for the SEC and ESPN but both sides have huge leverage in the negotiations.
The SEC wants ESPN because they are the best brand with the most viewership and Sportscenter dominates all other sports news shows. ESPN wants the SEC because they are the strongest CFB brand and they have built their programming around them. It's going to work out but the SEC is going to want a deal that dwarfs the other conferences and they will almost certainly get it.
A source told ESPN on Wednesday that Temple, as a football-only member, has voting rights but can't vote on dissolution of the league. With Temple unable to vote, that gives the seven basketball schools enough votes to dissolve the league.
From A&M's perspective they have benefitted because the conference desperately wants to solidify itself in the Texas market and all the TV sets there. That's why we got the UF game to start and it was placed on a weekend where they knew we would get Gameday. For Mizzou they got UGA at home on the same day and made a huge show of it as well, though not as big as what they did for A&M. By contrast TCU started on the road at KU and WVU got Baylor at home. The Big 12 missed a great opportunity to make a show out of both schools entering the league.
The Big 12 could really be great but the schools need to work together and think long term, that's how the SEC, Big 1G, and Pac 12 have done it.
espn owns all the sec tv rights except 14 games a year .. and lots of weeks where they have no rights
espn is not going to sell content back to a non espn owned (at least in part) network ...
the SEC network will look pretty much just like the BTN 50/50 owned ... but with espn instead of fox ..
It's not happening anyway but it is possible and thus the leverage exists. ESPN needs the SEC, they have built too much around it to lose it.
Then improve the ****ing logo. Problem solved.
Which is to actually SUGGEST that it should happen. It's only a non-issue to those in a state of denial about the plummeting reputation of the Big 12.
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Thank GOD the Pac deal fell through. I still can't for the life of me understand why any OU fan would want any part of the Pac. The Big XII as it is NOW is better than the Pac for football and for money.
Throw in the fact that we get in a conference that everyone is equal and gets equal vs living under the shadow of Texas and the Texas "sword of Damocles" which is them leaving to be Independence. And if you think that's crap, then we would be in a stable conference that isn't losing members, and isn't fixing to lose any, PLUS we would get to keep some regional rivals too.
I would also love the B1G if we went with Texas, and Kansas and got reunited with the Corn Shuckers
Pac=2 bcs teams
Big 12=1 bcs team
If we went there, the money would follow.
Since realignment is driven in part by TV ratings it might be worth taking a look back at a partial list of the TV rating.
I am surprised that the OU Texas game was rated so low. A later kick off time might earn better TV ratings.
But I wonder if the TV folks might someday throw enough money at both schools to someday make this a night game….... Of course certain safetymeasures would be needed in the area.
I am not sure how much more money the networks make for every .1 of additional ratings they earn.
The Big 12 has been the 2nd best conference for over a decade and losing the a fore mentioned teams has done nothing to change that. The Big 12 was by far the best conference last year and are a close 2nd to the SEC this year. The SEC is top heavy but the Big 12 has nine teams in the top 66. The SEC is the only other conference that can say that this year but normally the SEC is just top heavy but weak the rest of the way down. The Big 12 is usually strong top to bottom with one or two bottom feeders.
Here is the average rank of the conferences from my power ratings,
RK TEAM ................. W`-`L . OPPG DPPG . OR DR RPR . .SOS . WIN% . PRED . RATING
46 SEC.................. 105-65 . 30.2 22.9 . 70 37 107 . .738 . .618 . 79.2 . `78.23
46 BIG 12................ 71-49 . 35.8 29.5 . 76 31 106 . .756 . .592 . 80.4 . `76.12
54 INDEPENDENT........... 29-19 . 26.2 20.8 . 66 39 105 . .695 . .604 . 73.3 . `70.81
54 BIG TEN............... 83-63 . 27.7 24.0 . 68 36 104 . .724 . .568 . 75.1 . `68.30
55 PAC 12................ 80-66 . 30.6 27.4 . 71 33 103 . .746 . .548 . 77.0 . `67.53
61 BIG EAST.............. 53-42 . 25.5 22.3 . 66 38 103 . .683 . .558 . 70.5 . `62.90
65 ACC................... 76-70 . 29.8 27.2 . 70 33 103 . .697 . .521 . 71.5 . `59.53
66 WAC................... 43-41 . 30.8 31.4 . 71 29 `99 . .664 . .512 . 66.0 . `54.09
72 MAC................... 79-79 . 27.8 29.5 . 68 31 `98 . .663 . .500 . 65.2 . `52.15
73 MWC................... 58-64 . 28.7 28.6 . 69 31 100 . .670 . .475 . 67.2 . `51.09
74 SUN BELT.............. 57-64 . 27.7 28.5 . 68 32 `99 . .674 . .471 . 66.8 . `50.39
82 C-USA................. 61-85 . 29.4 32.3 . 69 28 `97 . .668 . .418 . 64.8 . `43.31
It's the Big Ten and the Pac 12 that are a hair better than the Big East and ACC.
West Virginia has 15 conference titles and is the 14th winningest Div I program. They have a better history than Mizzou.
As grand as OU/TX is, no ****ing way I go to that part of Dallas for a night game. Can't even imagine that shithole at 11:00 pm on a Saturday. Is the Fair even open that late?
And you can rest easy....I can't see under ANY circumstances, that OU or UT will have a night game in the State Fair.
And its becoming more and more clear to me that the B12 is a dead conference walking. Everyone saying the B12 is the second best conference is living in the past.
The conspiracy theorist in me sees the GOR, the LHN and the moves other conferences are making; and says "They are trying to get us locked in just long enough that we dont affect conference realignment. Then if the B12 is stagnant and their perception is terrible (which it will be in 13 years) Texas can just go independent and all will be well.
At this point I'd be happy in the SEC, B1G or PAC; just get us out of the B12.
The Big East was a good conference before the ACC raided it and got this whole expansion idea started. Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Boston College, Pitt and Syracuse are all in the top 36 in win %.. The Big East was the 2nd best conference in 2000, 2006 and 2009, 3rd in 2007 and 4th in 2008.
We would’ve been better off if we had taken TCU over Baylor in the first place. TCU has more wins than Baylor, oSu, Kansas, Iowa St and K-State.
We went to ten teams because adding two historically winning football programs helped the strength of the conference and still let us play a round robin without the need for a CCG which although brought the conference more money, did more to harm the conference when it came to BCS bowls and championships. We could’ve loaded up on bottom feeders like other conferences have done to try and create more stability but it would’ve diluted the conference.
-- Tie in with the Rose Bowl
-- Away games at Outzen, The Coliseum, Rose Bowl, Seattle, Palo Alto, Boulder
-- Conference academic affiliation with Stanford, USC, Cal, UCLA, Washington
-- Basketball tourney in Las Vegas
-- Increased exposure in the entire Western United States by regularly playing games in those areas
-- Selling recruits in Texas, Oklahoma on the above points
-- World class production quality of a conference network
Last edited by DelMarSooner; December 15th, 2012 at 10:20 PM.
The travel and late night kick-offs were about the only real bad points about a move to the PAC. OU would have been in an eastern division of the conference….To some degree that would have limited the number of late night kickoffs and the amount of additional travel.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL. BIGEAST is breaking up!!!!!! Do we want anyone? If so who!!!!