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Most of us knew exactly what you were saying. This guy doesn't understand how college football works - ie. 18-23 yr old kids cycle thru every 4-5 years, injuries occur, kids flunk out, kids go pro, schedule changes (new OOC teams, home/away in conf), etc etc etc. It's a season long playoff, just like you said and we were right there in the end.Originally Posted by Nazgul
Schooner9 you got that right. Two plays made the difference. We went into the ND game a little complacent and couldn't recover when we needed to. However, as much as I hate the Golden Domers I do not want Alabama to win the NC two years in a row.
2010 season; OU was preseason #1 and deemed worthy of their own special by ESPN. The Sooners inexplicably dropped a game to a crumbie Tech team, then one to Baylor and then went into full meltdown against OSux. Granted the Sheephosers had their 'once in a generation' team. After the season, Stoops took action sending several non-participants to the house and bringing Mike back to run the defense.
I admire this team and Landry Jones in particular for gutting up and winning the last three games but the SOONERS could just as easily be 7 and 5 right now. I realize that luck is part of football.
I think we've been in a downward spiral but more the result of an average QB and a poor Defenesive Co-ordinator than bad recruiting. Recruiting hasn't changed that much. Stoops has never been a great one.
I think we need to face the fact that Bob is an above average coach but just an average recruiter. I think if all goes well we'll be back to at least losing national championships in a couple of years. I don't think Bob will ever have the talent that Saban and some others have now, but I'm not sure the King would be able to recruit that sort of talent to OU today, if he played by the rules.
Well if I'd have known about the headache I would receive trying to understand his "four year sliding scale" I would have definitely declined going there.
Slow decline. I see. Because we're not playing for the NC every year. Okay.
After we got Tebowed, UF finished 2009 at number 5. In 2010, they were OUT of the top 25 in the final BCS standings. Same for 2011. Now they're still not playing for the NC, so at #3, they're still a failure, right?
Compare that to OU. We were out of the BCS in 2009, then in 2010 finished the year at 7. 2011 found us at 14, and in 2012 we're currently at 11.
I swear, some of you think we should be a combination of LSU and Alabama, with a Lee Roy Selmon recruited every year for good measure. Are there things that need to be addressed? Sure, and I hope that our O line goes a year or maybe two without getting crushed with injuries. Our D line could do with a stud. That being said, Chuka Ndulue was JUST A SOPHOMORE. He could be the Next Guy. We'll see. That being said, I'm going to take my chances with Bob.
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Stoops will not fire any ****istants no matter what the fans want .. Bob is comfortable with his millions coming in. He doesn't see a problem. We need a head coach to come in and bring some ****istants who can recruit and who are hungry to win a NC.. OU is a great program and needs a head coach.
Unfortunately you will be sorry you did.
We just made a major staff change last offseason....
Well, I guess you MUST be talking about Bob hiring his out of work brother ? I think that was a good move. Now, Make a point please ? Where in my post did I say Bob hasn't made a change ? Come on now show me ?
Here you go.
Fans wanted Wilson gone and Heupel in. It happened. People wanted Martinez and Venables gone and Mike in. It happened. You said that "Stoops will not fire any ****istants no matter what the fans want", and that is untrue.
My view on the subject: We could be better.
Wow, Can't believe you are so ****ing dumb that you did the same thing.. Ok, again, WHERE did I say in my post that Bob HAS NOT fired ****istants ? Come on now, You can do it. HA HA HA HA.
You said Stoops will not fire any ****istants. You're wrong. He has proven that he will do it, because he's done it the last two offseasons.
Ok, Enough of this. It's time to call you on your stupidity.. I said BOB WILL NOT, Didn't say he hasn't DID I ? What a dumb****.
Okay, what has he done in the past that makes you think that he won't? Because all of his past decisions have indicated that he would make the changes.
NO, Just because he did in the past doesn't mean he will and I am saying he will not.. Now, Is that clear ? BTW, Do you think OR are you actually saying that Bob fired Wilson and Venables ? It sure sounds like it from your post.
YOU name the OU ****istants that Bob has fired ? Name them.. Martinez ? Who else ?
What makes you think that Stoops wouldn't make the changes?
If Bob wanted Venables and Wilson here, they'd still be here.
BTW, I say Martinez would still be at OU if not for Bob making room for his brother.. I believe that and I doubt I'm the only one.
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SO, He fired both of them ?
Venables was offered more money to stay .. So, You are saying when Bob doesn't want a coach to stay he offers that coach a raise ? BAHAHAH****
Name the coaches Bob has fired at OU ? OR admit you are a full blown idiot. BAHAHAH****
Well what do you know... Raise your hand if you are surprised that this thread has deteriorated to Boomer Magic(someone has to fill in for Byrk) verbally ****ting all over the place ... Nobody? Yea didn't figure it would surprise anyone
Good thread for discussion even though I disagree with your premise BH ... I rate it 5 stars
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Records aside more than a few times OU has played a higher brand of football than what we have seen this season.
A few high end DT’s and more good OL are the 2 biggest things we are missing.
Throw in a quality middle linebacker and we might be missing about 7 to 9 players.
"those us"? How about "those OF us"?
Cracks me up when the English majors show up, act like ****s to other posters, then **** up their own posts. GD classic.
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You're actually the dumb****. You said Stoops won't fire someone and then you offer no evidence. Then he says Bob will fire someone based on past evidence.
Bob fired Martinez and Pelini. Also tell us Castiglione's policy for firing coaches. Just wanting to see if you know or if you always talk our of your culo.
I thought the O-line was the bright spot on the team this year. OU avg. 4.9 ypc. so far this year with multiple injuries and only gave up, is it 14 sax on the year??
The defense gave up 4.8 ypc this year, way more than the 3.7 ypc in 2011 and 4.1 in 2010
I believe we return everyone but Lane Johnson.
The OL didn’t do a bad job but it still had a hard time getting push on decent opponents. The depth sucks and that will seriously impact the team in 2 years unless we recruit good numbers of OL now.
like clockwork
The lack of a Big 12 championship game is part of this.
Wait DUNB****.. I don't need evidence, It's done that way on this board didn't you know ? Are you SURE Bob fired Pelini ? But, You ignore the poster implied that Bob Fired Wilson and Venables. So Yeah, You are a true dumb****. BAHAHAHAH****
awesome
Only idiots wanted Wilson gone and Heupel in.
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I wanted Wilson gone but wanted Heupel to cut his teeth elsewhere or to learn more on staff here before being given the reigns as playcaller here ... Hopefully he(JH) continues to improve as a playcaller/main OC or...
Yeah, but that's a battle we're bound to lose, I'm afraid, since writers (newspaper, blogs) and tv folk routinely make the same mistake.
STU and Cali both hated Wilson.... oh wait, maybe you are correct?
We might have lost an extra game or two, but 8-5 was never really close. If Saunders isn't playing then Shepard get's more touches. It's really a wash in my opinion.
DD Williams was a bigger get, imho.
Have you seen the quality of the product on the field? It definitely has declined. You are looking at end result and not how we got there.
Lack of home field advantage.
Record number of yards and points against our defense.
Decline in recruiting.
Decline in the OU brand.
"Winning" a conference that is down is not the same as winning it when tech, and ut were top 5 teams.
I think the bolded(I know) issue is the main thing that has declined as we are not forcing turnovers close to the rate we were prior to Mike's departure. I believe that given another full offseason and an obviously needed upgrade along the front 7 on D and we will be in a position to go where we all want to go.
Despite the sky is falling attitude of some we are very close to the top there is not much difference in where we are and where the top 2 teams are this season. I have confidence that before the current Fr. cl**** graduates we will have had at least one more shot at #8.
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i guest you will either **** about "lack of home field advantage" or cut and paste in your "can't win on the road".
We need a defense. Give us a defense and we win. Some of it is the offense. Teams with less offense and slower offenses, have better defenses because they get more rest and have to endure less plays. But some of it this year was the inability to stop the run. I am a bit afraid that MS doesn't know how to line up linebackers very well.
I completely agree, man. We're Oklahoma! And I know its an arrogant attitude but why not be arrogant. This is one of the most storied programs in all of college football. 4 years ago, this team had a swagger and we administered beat downs and as you said, teams like Tech or Oklahoma State or Kansas State would come away feeing good because we were a top 5 team. Now we're feeling content about another 10 win season and a good bowl game. Hey, I'm happy with the consistency of the Stoops era but we've gotta get back on top. Its been 12 years and its just about time.
We went down to the last play against WVU and TCU, and beat OSU in overtime. That's 3 + the 2 we lost, or drop go 2-1 in those games and lose a bowl game gives same record. Four to five losses wasn't that far off IMO. DD wasn't full speed for the better part of those tough games; just got back to full strength vs TCU. He was good when healthy, but when his ankle was bothering him Clay did a good job stepping up while he was riding pine.
We gave up record number of yards and took an **** kicking for the ages from OSU prior to Mike setting foot back on campus. This isn't a 1 year "slide".
There is a huge difference in our defense and the one's put out there by LSU and Bama. There is a huge difference in the quality of the front 7 we are getting and what they are getting.
You may be right about a chance to play for #8, if you consider being in a 4 team playoff as a chance to play for it. In 2014, OU has Tennessee, OSU and KSU at home. If the conference continues the downslide, OU's schedule is very manageable. OU could make the final 4 without really playing anyone very good and without being elite themselves. Winning a crappy conference and not playing anyone of note out of conference may get you to the final 4, but it doesn't necessarily mean your product has improved.
As an analogy, winning a qualifying heat as a quarter horse against a bunch of mules doesn't necessarily mean you can run with thoroughbreds in the finals.
We play in consistently the 2nd best conference in the country.
I ****ume you are calling the Big 12 a crappy conference?
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FWIW I didn't say it was a 1 year slide as I believe Mike has been gone for longer than 1 year. Also FWIW a healthy OU team wins the title in '08 and this isn't anywhere near as much of a discussion as it is right now.(I know ifs and buts/candy and nuts blah blah) Nonetheless what I am saying about '08 is true.
I think we have fundamental differences of opinion about where certain aspects of our team is in relation to the SEC teams that you mention so I do not see us agreeing on much when it comes to this conversation so I won't go a ton further but.....
FWIW A&M beat 'Bama with a BigXII style team this season and w/o the typical aggie fade in the 2nd half the game wouldn't have been close. Obviously our style of play is different than what 'Bama and LSU puts out there and I do not see that changing anytime soon. However if we get a legit game changer at QB for instance(From multiple sources I hear Trevor Knight might just be that guy fwiw) then I think us reaching our goals might be closer than we all are currently imagining.
Anyways I think as Mike's influence on the D increases we will see it become more opportunistic which can cover up for a number of deficiencies which will help as Mike continues to beef up the front 7 IMO. We are not as far as some think from being on top again.
we're the same mules that have beaten mud holes in that atm team for the last decade who by the way went 10-2 playing in your beloved sec. and congrats, your the first to **** about us making the final 4 even before playing the first game of next season.
oh and by the way, its playoffs you idiot. you don't have to be the best team to win it all ... just the best team for two games, sincerely NY Giants.
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