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I heard Harsin was breaking his gentleman's agreement of "staying 3 years" with texas and interview for these same jobs too.
Against KSU, our RB's averaged 4.78 ypc. This was on only 23 carries. The 3.4 ypc you cite includes the 22 yards lost by our QB's.
Against ND, our RB's rushed only 17 times and averaged 2.3 ypc. In the ND game, in all of OU's 4th quarter possessions, a RB (D. Williams) carried the ball twice, for 5 yards and 4 yards. In the same 4th quarter, Landry Jones threw the ball 18 times and was intercepted and sacked, once each: 2 rushes for an average of 4.5 ypc, and 18 passes. After the game was tied at 13, with 9 minutes remaining, OU had zero /0/ rushing attempts on its home field.
Facts.
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so you are saying I was right. Cool, thanks.
No, you were completely wrong
Well, I said we "can't run the ball against championship caliber teams". And we ran for 3.4 ypc against ND. I'd call 3.4 ypc "not being able to run the ball", so I was at the very least half right.
And you said we rushed for 5 ypc, we did not in either game against "championship caliber teams", so it looks like you were completely wrong...yet again.
This!
I got 17 carries for 51 yards for the RBs which is 3.0 ypc against ND. The -19 yds on the bad snap went against the run game also when it was obviously a p**** play.
If we even run our average of 31 carries against K-State and ND, we would've at least had a chance to win those games but for some reason, every time that we play a good football team, the run game goes out the window. Run the ball 40 times and we win both of those games, no question about it. Run the ball 40 times against Florida instead of 27 and we have #8.
SoonerBounce stated in an earlier post that Alabama only rushes for a couple of feet more per run than Oklahoma does but Alabama averages 40 carries a game.
Most people think that the SEC beats you with defense but they pound your defense into submission with their run game and keep your high powered offense off the field which makes their defenses look unbeatable.
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3.4 ypc is good yardage against a good run defense. 3.4 ypc will get you a first down more often than not and if you run the ball 40 times a game, that run defense wears down and your average goes up as does your chance of scoring. You hear it all the time about good running backs. The more carries he gets in a game, the more productive he is. You can't run the ball 10 times and decide to give up on the run game because you aren't busting off ten yards a pop. You have to be persistent and have patience. The yards will show up in the 4th quarter when you need them the most.
Read AND COMPREHEND. Learn to sooner than later.....
You question his play callling abilities at UCLA when you compareNotice what you did there? Probably not. Your point is totally moot. Put EVERY one of our OCs on the teams that Jay coached and PLEASE tell me that you think they do better? Norm Chow was/is a GREAT OC and Norvell did better than him at UCLA. I would imagine that Jay, having NFL experience and college experience, could probably call a good of a game as Josh can...maybe better.every OC we have had since Bob took over has put up better numbers calling plays than Norvell.
I think you need to go re-evaluate your arguments. Go back and look at the productivity that Jay had while at UCLA compared with Norm Chow. Go back and look at what Jay did while he was at Nebraska. (Granted I think that dip**** Calahan did the play calling). Norvel really helped the passing attack at Nebraska.
So tell me how comparing apples (play calling at a horrible UCLA team) and oranges (play calling at OU) is even remotely a fair comparison.
That would be nice but we have a passing offense because thats what bob wants.
How do you have a gentlemen's agreement with someone like Texas?? **** them Harsin get the hell out of there.
I'd say it's more that's what bob has, not wants.
Ask any coach at any level and they'll tell you they want to be balanced. Bob would love to have a great running back and a line that has the ability to do both run and p**** block. We are depleted up front, and it hurts us at times.
But on the other side, its not like a team like Pittsburgh is on the level of Bama, and they ran the ball effectively against ND. They lost that game because their staff went full **** late and wasted late possessions with poor play calling and clock management. I think we probably could have run the ball more effectively in the ND game, but we also were moving the ball at midfield when a blatant PI call wasn't made, and the ball was deflected and intercepted-ish by Te'o. That was the play of the game. That falls incomplete, we could go down the field and win with a TD, and might just do it.
I wasn't wrong. I stated facts. You stated inaccurate stats. And 3.4 YPC against a defense like ND is good enough to win with the passing game we have
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And go look at ND's rushing defensive stats....http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/team/51...e/gamelog.html
Nobody did great against them.
Take back that STUPID snap, and the bogus holding penalty on Bells 1st TD, and I believe we win the game. It's too bad, but that is how the game goes.
I don't know, statistically speaking, if it would be wrong to leave off the bad snap when talking about our rushing average against ND. That's kind of unfair...after all, numbers don't tell the WHOLE story. Within context, it seems that our rushing should not include the bad snap.
Hence, why I think they will beat Bama.
You said we rushed for 5 ypc. we didn't rush for 5 ypc in either game. How is that not wrong?
I see your point. My personal opinion is that our coaches dont think that we can run the ball against good teams, and that is why the run game goes out the window when we play good teams. I have to believe that the coaches are smart enough to realize that, if we can be effective running the ball, we should run the ball more than 17 or so times.
If your opinion is that the coaches aren't smart enough to realize that, then OK. We can agree to disagree. My opinion is still going to be that we can't run the ball when it matters against really good teams.
Apparently not. In case you forgot, we lost the game.
we did rush for 5 YPC
**** happens.
Yes you are correct. Against good teams with Stoops and Co. for the last few years, only **** happens.
well sure, b/c by your standards they are only good teams if we lost to them.
Most people would wish that was the case. However we lose to some crappy teams as well, but that happens. Everyone loses to teams once in a while. My issue is that not only do we lose to some crappy teams, we definitely lose to good teams. Be it in a bowl game or MNC game or one that's high profile like the ND game we invariably lay an egg. Stoops' habit of only looking at his speed dial every time a coaching vacancy occurs has led us down this path. Unless that changes, we can expect that to be the status quo.
Lol are you really going to make me list all the big games we've won? How far do I need to go back?
Dont list the big games for me, define what you consider a big game.
3-5 in BCS bowl games. One of those 3 wins is a 8-5(season record) Connecticut. So more like 2-5 and those 2 wins were in 2000 and 2001.
not even worth the time of day. If we had lost to UCONN, you would have considered it another big game lose. BUt since we won, we get no credit
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Don't forget that Big XII title games and games against OSU and UT only count as big games, if we lose.
I haven't read this entire thread but I have a source telling me that Heupel is taking a small HC job elsewhere and that Mangino is returning.
Because you cannot refute this.
He gets credit for beating UConn, absolutely. But does he get the same credit if he beats LSU, USC or Florida? Those were bigger games, heck even Boise was a bigger game than UConn.
You still havent defined what you consider a "big" game. Let me guess, OsU this year was a big game for you. How about WVU? And Baylor?
I do give him all the credit in the world for having us ready for beating Texas though. There couldn't be a better rivalry coach than Stoops.
I guess you paid NO attention to what I had posted did you? How about if I am right you apologize and if I am wrong I do the same? This thread is about rumors. Glad you have a library of all of my posts though. Thanks for playing.
A big game is any bowl game or championship game, any game with championship implications, rivalry game, or game vs a high profile team.
Yes bedlam is a big game. Baylor was not. Wvu was this year bc they are new to the conference and it was away in a crazy environment.
But going back to your original point, it actually wasn't big games you said we suck at, it was good teams
Geez... another thread derailed. Never Fails. Its the LT way.
Bedlam is a big game when OsU is good....which is really only once in a decade. Most on here dont even consider it a rivalry. WVU with 5 consecutive losses was far from being a big game regardless of where and when that game was played. They were a terrible team as proven again and again by 5 different teams.
But yes, lets get back to my original point of playing and beating good teams. OsU this year is not a good team, last year they were. Infact it was the only time when they were good this decade. And you know how that turned out. 0-1
How about the good teams this year? K State(and I say K State biting my tongue because they will be exposed in the bowl game)? ND? 0-2
How about good teams in 2008? Texas? Florida? 0-2
2009 was a mulligan with Bradford and injuries. So we wont talk about that...see how fair that is?
But then we also have to be fair considering we didnt play anyone worth their salt in 2010. Nebraska being the best team at 10-4 who lost to Wazzu 19-7 in their bowl game.
2011? OsU. 0-1
Without wading through most of the irrelevant bull****, what's the latest on Norvell's possible departure?
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and most would be wrong. Just askt he players. Its a big game every year b/c it's a rivalry game
.WVU with 5 consecutive losses was far from being a big game regardless of where
and when that game was played. They were a terrible team as proven again and
again by 5 different teams
It was a BIG game for OU. I don't care how you slice it. Night environment for a new team in the leauge that was wanting to prove itself vs the conferences best. crazy atmosphere. Again, I ****ume you would call it a big game if we had lost.
once again, only citing games we lost. lolBut yes, lets get back to my original point of playing and beating good teams.
OsU this year is not a good team, last year they were. Infact it was the only
time when they were good this decade. And you know how that turned out.
0-1
How about the good teams this year? K State(and I say K State biting
my tongue because they will be exposed in the bowl game)? ND? 0-2
How
about good teams in 2008? Texas? Florida? 0-2
2009 was a mulligan with
Bradford and injuries. So we wont talk about that...see how fair that is?
Speaking of coaches past, what was the deal behind Darrell Wyatt leaving? Spurrier Jr, Wyatt, and Sumlin were all money when it came to coaching wide receivers. Not that our receiving group is bad, but Wyatt and Sumlin seemed to turn average receivers into superstars and Wyatt in particular has been successful pretty much everywhere he has gone...save Texas. Plus he was an awesome recruiter. I'd always heard he was "encouraged" to take a coaching job elsewhere, but then he went and coached with Mike at Arizona.
I'm confused as to whether you are just pulling my leg or if you really this dumb. I guess if I'm getting trolled, good job. This thread got hijacked anyhow.
I'm just shaking my head as to how you can say in one post that we did run for 5ypc, and three posts before say that we only ran for 3.4 ypc.
Anyhow, I'm out. Dont really care to try to explain it to someone who clearly has lost grip on reality.
The only time i said we rushed for 5 YPC was in reference to the entire season. it's not rocket science. maybe you shouldn't be the one insulting people
Conversely you're only citing games that we won or give Bob credit if we played at night or we played in the cold or we played when it rained the night before. Lol.
You do realize that every college team plays opponents away dont you? My argument still stands that when it comes to teams with equal or more talent as in good teams(not even great teams like USC of 2004) just good teams, Stoops and Co have pretty much laid an egg since 200_? Without peeking at the records, my hunch says 2003 but I could be wrong. It has definitely been the case at least since 2008 as listed in my detailed post above.
Prove me wrong.
Step 1: cite a team that you think was good,
Step 2: make your case why it was good,
Step 3: show me the scoreboard.
Step 4: Profit?
I'm not sure how it all went down, but Wyatt's job immediately following OU was WR coach for the Vikings. I don't know if he left of his own volition to take an NFL job or not. He is quite the vagabond - 12 different coaching stops in 24 years.
Other than the games you listed that OU lost, the following are good teams
2007 Mizzou
2008 Texas Tech
2008 OSU
2009 OSU
2010 OSU
2010 FSU
2011 FSU
2012 OSU
Just off the top of my head
um no not at all. You told me not to make a list. I can if you would like.
lol what a clown post.My argument still stands that when it comes to teams with equal or more talent
as in good teams(not even great teams like USC of 2004) just good teams, Stoops
and Co have pretty much laid an egg since 200_? Without peeking at the records,
my hunch says 2003 but I could be wrong. It has definitely been the case at
least since 2008 as listed in my detailed post above.
you are going to make me make a list aren't you
You're wasting your time. This is the mentality of a lot of OU football fans: if we win, we just did what we were supposed to do. If we lose, our coaches suck. It's a mentality that cannot be refuted or reasoned with.
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this needs to be asked again
The latest is there is no latest. I just ran a twitter search and found nothing. SoonerScoop had an update yesterday afternoon, but it was $$ information.
5 losses isn't a good team...I'm not even sure 4 losses qualifies as a good team either.
I added them because they were down to their 3rd QB. I also would add 2007 WVU to the list. They should've won the National Championship that year.
Well, can you hit the high points?
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