If you list this years OSU team you have to list Texas, Baylor, West Virginia, and Tech also. You could argue for almost all of those to be better than OSU(Tech you can't really win any argument)
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If you list this years OSU team you have to list Texas, Baylor, West Virginia, and Tech also. You could argue for almost all of those to be better than OSU(Tech you can't really win any argument)
Thats the best we've done in the last 6 years. 4 of the 8 teams you mention are Oklahoma ****ing State. And in the years you have listed they've gone 36-15 as in they've lost to 11 other teams besides us. Do you really consider that a good team? And 2012 OsU? Really? They arent even ranked as of now.Originally Posted by aaron7
Save for FSU on that list, no team on there even comes close to OU in terms of talent, tradition or facilities. And FSU lost about 8 games in the 2 years they played OU proving mediocre at best. However, I am inclined to give Stoops and Co credit for game planning the **** out of Mizzou and TT. It still does not take away from the fact that they laid an egg against WVU, Boise, USC, LSU and Florida. The list you just posted would've doubled in credibility with just 2 of the 5 schools that I mentioned.
No I'm saying I don't know what it says because it was $ info and I'm not a subscriber. Perhaps somebody else can.
Exactly. What about UTEP? or Florida Atlantic from few years ago? Or Middle Tenn State because we did play them at night. Its kinda dark and all you know.
Hopefully we keep him.
He's a sharp dude....hope he'll wait another year. Keep getting his name out there and then snag a bigger and better spot.
It wouldn't hurt to open up the wallet a little bit either....
you obviously don't know how to think critically
The fact is OSU has been good lately. I know you don't want to admit it, but it's true.
They've had one good year in 2011. We lost that year. Besides that we've only beaten them when OsU has been OsU.
And you do? What with your WVU argument? You should stick to talking about who wins American Idol and leave football talk to men. I am yet to see you state your case.
This thread took a long detour. Any word on Norvell?
I'm done after this statement. It's obvious that our opinion of good is completely different. If it takes winning a conference and ending #3 in the country to be good, then you are right. Unfortunately that is a dream world. There are many good teams that don't reach that level. This Sooner team is a good team. They won't come close to the level of 2011 OSU.
Apologize for the thread hijack. It does get annoying.
They were pretty good in 03 when they had Tinker Bell and the triplets.
They were decent in 04 when they had they hoodlum from Tulsa Science and Technology who couldn't qualify at OU (or anywhere else)
They've been a pretty good team since 2008.
We obviously differ on what is a "good" team. A good team is someone like ND or Bama this year. Good teams but not far above the rest. A great team is someone like Miami of 2001, USC 2004, 2005 or Texas 2005 and so forth. I think the term "great" and superlatives in general are overused.
Because if we call OsU of 2012 good, then what is OU and other 5 teams that beat em? Great?
And ND and Bama of 2012?
And USC 2003 or Texas 2005?
Yes I do.
And I've already stated my case. It's just apparent we aren't going to agree so **** it
Didn't OSU have 11 wins in 2010? That seems like a pretty good year. I could have sworn they were playing for a shot at the Big XII title game that year.
So isstill a Sooner or no? I don't wanna read through 5 pages of bull.
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This is where u fail. Nd And bama at great teams
Yes. You're welcome.So is
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No doubt we differ. You are going back and looking at historically great teams as the only that qualify above good. I think you can say that there are great teams every year. Are they historically great? Maybe, maybe not.
They were playing for Big XII until they played OU and lost. Texas sucked that year with GG and went 5-7. TT went 3-5 in conference. Baylor was Baylor with a 4-4 conference record and A&M was average.
So with Texas(5-7), TT(3-5) and Baylor(7-6) being down all they had to do was beat A&M(which to their credit they did) until they ran into OU and lost. It was more that Texas and TT sucked rather than OsU being good which attributed to them playing OU to represent South in the Big XII title game.
You know where you fail? For still not making your case about Stoops being able to beat teams that aren't conference peasants.
So, your contention is that an 11 win OSU team that only lost to the two participants in the Big XII title game was not a good team?
I thought I stated my case pretty well but obviously I didn't. I watch games too so I know that Stoops has no problems in beating the TT, OsU, A&M, Mizzou, Nebbish or Texas consistently. Its only if you put him up against unknown quantities such as WVU, Boise or equal talent in USC, LSU or Florida does he screw the pooch.
Now he hasnt made that far since 2008, so he has been feasting on **** rapings subjected to other conference opponents but I dont think anyone can disagree that beating OOC power houses at their helm(bowl games and MNC) possess a certain appeal that he and his staff has lacked for a very long time.
Because you can schedule them on a given year but there is no guarantee that they're going to be good(Miami comes to mind) but when you meet them in a bowl game that validates that they've proven themselves over the season. And time and again, Stoops and Co have been found with their pants down against those teams.
I don't know if you want me to go by big games or good teams? There is a distinct difference.
Texas 2012(big game)
@WVU 2012(big game)
OSU 2012(big game)
@TCU 2012(big game b/c of conference championship/good team)
@FSU 2011 (both)
Texas 2011 (big game)
@KSU 2011 (both)
Iowa 2011(big game)
FSU 2010 (both)
Texas (big game)
@ OSU (both)
NU (both)
UCONN (big game)
Stanford (2009)--(both)
Do I need to keep going?
No that isnt my contention. This is a derivative of what was my contention which is that Stoops and Co havent beaten a good team as in with equal or more talent(see post # 207) in a long long time.
Yes because you have reading comprehension/memory issues. Besides that fact that half the games you listed arent big games, this is what we were discussing:
Once a team loses 2 or more games, its not a good team.
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you do realize a team can be good without have equal talent to OU right?
I'm confused. Are you saying that only teams with equal or greater talent than OU are considered "good" teams? You could argue quite easily that KSU did not have equal or greater talent than OU, this season, but they are a good, if not borderline great, team.
I think you need to frame your argument better.
This has turned into a Hall of Shame thread. Delete thread, ban users.
Understood. National Champion LSU in 2007 was not a good team. I am glad we have this sorted out.
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oh bull****. So we aren't a good team this year? We have lost to the #1 team in the country and the #5 in the country and we could have beaten both of them. Standford isn't a good team? Georgia? LSU? A&M? FSU?
So there IS or IS NOT a rumor that Norvell is being considered for the LaTech job? Too much **** in this thread
And when that happens in back to back years (FSU 2010 & 2011) you find a way to dismiss those games too. I don't give a **** what happened after the game in Tallahassee last year. That was a big game against a good team on the road that was a W.
Yes there is a rumor
I guess OU in 2008 wasn't a good team either
If Bama loses to ND, then they are no longer a good team.
I already stated what teams I consider good and what teams I consider great. I think you need to go back and read that. Especially if you're confused.
Glad we agree.
Finally! See it wasnt that difficult was it bounce?
well i'm done
Dipshits
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Absolutely and by same account, LSU 2007 = Louisville 2012 = Sam Houston State 2012 because they're all 2 loss teams. I am glad we have this sorted out as well.
Heup to La Tech and Norvell to Madison is the word?
Say hello to the Fat Man and Chucky as Co-Coords.
Care to guess how many National Champions weren't "good" teams?
I am betting there are about 100 times as many teams that aren't good teams with 2 losses. So no, the point still stands. Besides, that statement was particularly in reference to a specific team(OsU) and not to be applied in general for all teams since the beginning of time.
This is what you said.
2 losses does not equal a bad team.
By your above definition, OU has only fielded 5 good teams in the last 33 years.
That's a preposterous definition of "good"
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This is what I believe is going to happen.Just spitballin here... Kingsbury takes Tech. Sumlin takes Norvell to replace Kingsbury. Recruiting. Doomsday. Machine. #Sooners #TAMU
I doubt Bob will let Norvell go to aTm. He'll match any offer the aggies come up with.
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