Did OU just have a de-commit?

[Turk]

You mean like the in-state kids that just decommitted?

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[OkieThunderLion]

we can't run the ball

OU just finished their regular season with their highest ypc average in 15+ years.

[soonerintn]

based on your analysis ... every coach should get canned minus saban and kelly next year because other than the NC, other accomplishments don't mean crap. 11-2 season is mediocrity?

Our recruiting cl**** this year we can all agree is poor considering the needs at DT/OL. But its one year ... and that year isn't even over. Because surely you can't say last year was a bad cl**** (shepard, neal, etc.).

As for recruits, the top priorities for them i would think would be: winning program, facilities, chance to play early, pro opportunities, coaching stability, education, etc. .... we have it all.

Yes, we need to make changes to get better. but to make whole sale changes after an 11-2 season is stupid. Oh, and how many basketball championships did we win after Tubbs? Are we a better basketball program today then with Tubbs. Wholesale change isn't always good.

Wrong analysis on your part. If you are a CEO or a manager and you put in some sort of performance metrics, they need to have meaning and context. 10-2 is a good to great season by anyone's metric. Winning a conference is a great season by anyone's metric. The problem is that you and many others fail to look beyond the superficial layer. That is what separates great CEOs from just good ones or bad ones.

If you win(or get part of) a conference championship, how did it occur? Were you a great team that won a great conference or were you an average team that won a conference that was in a down year? Did you have a thoroughbred that won the Kentucky derby or did you have an average horse that outran some mules.

Did your defense improve? Did your offense improve? Did you get outcoached? Did your recruiting efforts slip?

Wholesale changes? How does one fire stoops and expect anyone to want the job? It isnt going to happen. But at some point, someone needs to look internally at the problems and make philosophy, effort or staff changes to address the issues. Saying we are 10-2 without any issues is hiding your head in the sand.

Today we got a dt commit. He was not plan a,b,c,d or e. Looks solid, but may be a grade risk. We offered a 2 star dt with a offer from Texas state and a history of concussions and injuries. Getting cast offs from a$m and fighting Texas state for recruits when options 1-10 said no shows a significant issue. This isn't even to mention the strike outs on the offensive line and tight end.

We may end strong in recruiting, but again, you have to look beyond the superficial and see how we got there.

[55-17beatdown2011]

Wrong analysis on your part. If you are a CEO or a manager and you put in some sort of performance metrics, they need to have meaning and context. 10-2 is a good to great season by anyone's metric. Winning a conference is a great season by anyone's metric. The problem is that you and many others fail to look beyond the superficial layer. That is what separates great CEOs from just good ones or bad ones.

If you win(or get part of) a conference championship, how did it occur? Were you a great team that won a great conference or were you an average team that won a conference that was in a down year? Did you have a thoroughbred that won the Kentucky derby or did you have an average horse that outran some mules.

Did your defense improve? Did your offense improve? Did you get outcoached? Did your recruiting efforts slip?

Wholesale changes? How does one fire stoops and expect anyone to want the job? It isnt going to happen. But at some point, someone needs to look internally at the problems and make philosophy, effort or staff changes to address the issues. Saying we are 10-2 without any issues is hiding your head in the sand.

Today we got a dt commit. He was not plan a,b,c,d or e. Looks solid, but may be a grade risk. We offered a 2 star dt with a offer from Texas state and a history of concussions and injuries. Getting cast offs from a$m and fighting Texas state for recruits when options 1-10 said no shows a significant issue. This isn't even to mention the strike outs on the offensive line and tight end.

We may end strong in recruiting, but again, you have to look beyond the superficial and see how we got there.

The 'A&M castoff' is the 161st rated player in the country, and we offered him many months ago.

The 2 star DT has amazing film. He wrecks **** up against 5A Dallas Texas competition.

rivals.yahoo.com/oklahoma/football/recruiting/player-Charles-Walker-132243

He won't be a 2 star very long. Not just because OU offered, but because him film and size are impressive.

[XxSuBLiMexX]

OU just finished their regular season with their highest ypc average in 15+ years.

There has been improvement this year, but it is still not where it should be.

[cyberthoth]

What does the 2000 MNC have to do with our 2012 recruiting struggles and the current state of our program? Is it a get out of jail free card? Is it validation and rationalization for accepting mediocrity?

Billy Tubbs did things for our basketball program that had never been done before. Towards the end of his tenure recruiting slipped as did results. Yet people continued to hide their head in the sand because of his past and what he meant to the program. Years later, Tubbs admitted he lost his fire and recruiting while at OU.

A 2000 MNC, while incredible, means very little to current recruits that were 5 or 6 at the time. If you are using any sort of job performance metric, results form 12 years ago, while they should account for some loyalty, have little bearing on the current job.

I think the problem here is you are too young to really know what you're talking about.

Let's start with Billy Tubbs. It wasn't just that the team slipped it's that the team failed to get to the NCAA tournament three out of four years. Let's be honest, that's hardly comparable to Bob winning the conference and getting pushed out of a deserved BCS game because of a stupid rule. Remember Bob has won the Big 12 two out of the last three years and has been to a bowl game EVERY year he's been here.

On to Football. Do you remember the 2000 MNC? Obviously not. Sure we beat the **** out of Texas, KSU and Nebraska but we needed a miracle finish to beat an A&M team that was really no better than that WV team we beat this year. We also barely beat a crappy OSU team at home. That OSU team was NO WHERE near as good as the Pokes team we beat this year.

Grow up and watch a few more years of college football and you might learn something. For starters you'll learn every team no matter how good it is has close games like WV and OSU. It's not a sign of trouble that you have close games but it is a sign of good coaching when you win them. Bob's a good coach and we're lucky to have him. Personally I think he's earned our trust that he'll figure out this DT and OL mess we're in. (not disagreeing with you that it's a mess)

[Widescreen]

We also barely beat a crappy OSU team at home.

Correction: That game was in Stillwater. But you're right that they weren't very good and they were throwing into the end zone at the end of the game to win it.

[Big Red One]

So, are we not going to have an OLine next year?

Will we be playing the 2- 4- 5 Defense?

That is what we played most of the year, right? At least with the amount of rush yards and tds we gave up it sure seemed like it.