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For clarification that was more a rhetorical question and not actually a question for her. As I don't think that view is the typical American pov.Originally Posted by traxx
Also, as parents of 4th and 7th graders it saddens me to try to feel and understand what those parents are going through right now....I don't think it is something you can really fathom unless you are actually in those shoes.....Our hearts and prayers go out to them.
Exactly. And it may sound selfish, but I hope I never have to learn how they feel.
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A music teacher managed to save 15 children during Friday's shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut by barricading them into a closet, while gunman Adam Lanza, 20, stood outside screaming 'Let me in! Let me in!'
Maryrose Kristopik has been hailed a 'hero' by parents after herding the children to safety in a closet and barricading the door to prevent Lanza from entering.
An unnamed mother, in her 40s, whose nine-year-old son was among the children said: 'I want to thank her. She saved their lives.
'The shooter kept banging on the door screaming: "Let me in! Let me in!" but he didn't get in.
'Now I have to explain to my nine-year-old son that his friends won't be coming back. How am I supposed to do that?'
Brenda Lebinski said her eight-year-old daughter is safe thanks to the teacher's decision to move all kids into a closet when a gunman had entered the building.
'My daughter's teacher is my hero,' Lebinski said. 'She locked all the kids in a closet and that saved their lives.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-mailonline
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Wrong, I am saying there is a shaming stigma surrounding mental illness and a quickness to jump to conclusions someone is just pretending or not really emotionally unstable, we kind of shy away...especially with men from connecting the emotional problems and harms to their problems and behaviors..
I think the only issue I have concern with is that it's being reported that he used his mothers guns (more props to a northeastern teacher owning guns) and I think it was her responsibility, not the city's...states...or fed's...to make sure she had them properly secured to keep them out of the reach of her troubled kid.
I am as gun loving as you but I think there is a difference between behavioral stuff and mental issues. Your kid seems more behavioural than mental and I am confident that if I was in your situation I would keep my stuff locked up until I know for sure either way. That's not hacking on gun rights, parenting, or behavioural/mental issues...that's just common sense.
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Hold me closer Tony Danza.....
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I completely agree....and I love my gun safe!
Well folks, I'm off to pick up my kids. I'll give them extra hugs and kisses tonight.
Talk to y'all later.
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I am out and for anyone who thinks Americans embrace and help the mentally ill and bullied young people with their emotions in the right way, well I am sorry I see that as one of this nations failures...
I have witnessed quite a good number of you here talk down about suicide, kids being pussies for being bullied and I can promise you are not alone and probably don't just say it here... You may not say it to people but I bet you are not trying to help and prevent it. Most people never think twice or blink about an issues unless it directly effects them. Most people don't care about guns until someone dies by one, most people never give a **** about kids dying all over the world every day... Most people are just busy in their lives and worried about the things in front of them. I am guilty of that a lot as well.
In closing I am truly sad for the dead children, their communities, families, friends, and everyone who witnessed this event... Just like I feel true sadness for everyone who dies at the hands of war, especially children,..I am also sad for the mentally ill and depressed people who suffer in silence.
Have a good weekend- I am out for a while
I would love to hold Kitty Chesney...really really tight.
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just heard that the shooter woke up this morning and killed his mother and then went to the school. The shooter's father is alive and talking with the FBI in NJ. His brother and girlfriend were just coming home when it was being surround with cops. The shooter somehow had his brother's id on him which is why his brother was identified as the shooter.
So, ban autism?
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No thanks...!!!
Nope, this is something that needs to be fixed the whole planet has less of these than the us
I don't have children, so i can't imagine what they're going through. This absolutely breaks my hardned heart to pieces. My prayers, and tears go out to all involved.
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You're crying?I don't have children, so i can't imagine what they're going through. This absolutely breaks my hardned heart to pieces. My prayers, and tears go out to all involved.
@NBCNews UPDATE Weapons used in shooting were legally purchased and registered to gunmans mother, law enforcement officials tell NBC News"
You're not human, if this doesn't pull at your heart strings.
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With him being 20 maybe he used it as a fake ID???
Interesting fact brought up on NPR on the way home. M**** shootings have been going on for decades. 100-150 people die each year in m**** shooting. 15,000 die in single victim homicides each year.
Well, crap...since you put it that way.....I guess there's no reason to change anything.
Wow, you really read something into that post that I didn't.
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I'm a little confused. They're showing video of Ryan Lanza, the shooter's brother, and he was being led inside by police in handcuffs. But they're just questioning him and don't consider him to be a suspect. Why would they handcuff him then?
Hardworker.
Would hire.
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A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.
The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2F4b9384y
Good point, but they usually aren't kindergartners.
One thing I heard, since you posted the ****ault weapon twitter earlier, is that the rifle was in the trunk of the car he drove to the school and not used in the killing. The handguns were found in the school.
probably so.
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Agree. That's a journalist doing their job ... And sometimes it's very difficult.
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Ryan Lanza in New Jersey
What's he getting arrested for?
I don't understand why he's in handcuffs unless they thought he was a suspect?
Dude needs to lawyer up. His name may be forever tarnished due to police negligence.
Adam Lanza in 2005
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ut-school.html
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wow town had 1 murder in the last decade before today
Yeah, I don't get this either. From everything I've read, he was never under arrest. So why the handcuffs?
Not sure when that was taken but maybe because his name is Ryan Lanza and the shooter had ID on him saying he was Ryan Lanza. Could be just confusion. When you think someone might be armed and/or dangerous I think you take extra precaution.
That selfish **** should have just killed himself first.
This is incredibly heartbreaking. just awful. sickening.
Yeah, it doesn't take a whole lot of brain cells to figure out it wasn't him but whatever.. I think cops should handcuff everyone they question just to make it easier.
This wasn't a normal incident for sure and who is to know if there weren't multiple shooters? I'm sure they were taking extreme precautions.
I have a friend on FB asking if parents would tell their 5 year old about what happened. Some people are saying yes and teach them how to protect themselves. A child's innocence doesn't last nearly as long as it did when we were kids. Unless the event directly impacted the child why would you want to spoil that? 8-9yr old I could see this but a 5yr old?
Emotions got the best of everybody today. Not a big deal imo. Looks like the dude knew, and was cooperative.
My wife and I were discussing this a little bit ago. We're not going to do it. When I b picked them up earlier they said that they practiced their lock down drill at school today. They described everything they did and didn't seem freaked out. Apparently they teach them that they need to protect them against strangers. If our kids were older, I'd sit down and have a long talk, but noow I don't think they'd understand.
I have a 6 year old and I will not let her see any of this. It will just scare her and I don't want her to be scared to go to school. If she brings it up after hearing about it at school or some other place, I will talk to her about it but it won't be on the tv at all at home when she is awake.
No. NO.
Not telling ours.
I got an email from a teacher today and she didn't even mention it. Just a note about the work they'll be doing next week. So I think we're taking that approach - everything is as normal as we can make it.
Such an awful day.
It's going to be terrible the next few days as we learn who the kids were, see their pictures, hear their stories. As I heard someone say on TV, most if not all these kids were no doubt believing that Santa was coming to their house in 11 days and today the devil came to their school. As a parent it just shreds your heart.
I was actually gonna start a thread & ask how you guys are dealing with this relative to your children... Telling them, not telling them, how are you making the decision (age, development, already fearful or shy, etc)...
My niece & I had a long convo about it. She's a teen so not fearful, but confused about how someone could "harbor such evil in their hearts and hurt little baby kids". I remember having a similar convo with her after 9/11 (though she was little) and even the more recent shootings, but these kids are her baby cousins ages. It's just hard for everyone to understand.
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