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  1. #451
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/sand...1180?pmSlide=0

    Pictures of some of the victims. I seriously can't even think of a worse thing that person could do than brutally murder multiple children.

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    Sorry but:

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...172789922.html

    How he got in

    "Police said they believe Mr. Lanza forced his way into the school Friday morning through a plate-glass partition next to a locked front door, possibly by shooting his way through. But why he had done so remained a mystery, despite waves of speculation among survivors, news reporters and law enforcement."


    People wondered how he got buzzed in wearing armor etc.

  4. #454
    We talked about it today that our children's school has a security system that requires you to swipe your drivers license which is then sent through a quick background check before the doors will open. But once it's open you're in the school. And apparently in this case the kid shot out or broke through a glass partition. So even though they had a somewhat similar security system it was rendered moot.

    In short - there's not a lot that can be done to protect against a psychotic. Even if there had been an armed officer there's a reasonable chance the psycho kills him/her too. Though I guess there's at least a chance the officer gets him first. Just hard to secure every school in America with an armed guard and so sad that it may be necessary.

    Appears almost every story yesterday was false. Mother wasn't a teacher. He wasn't buzzed in. He had no affiliation with the school. He had no altercation there. Was anyone actually arrested in the woods? Fog of war type situation I guess. Just amazing how wrong the press was.

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    Originally Posted by Filthy View Post
    Medical examiner stated that each child was shot up to 11 times.
    I question the need to release this information.
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    Originally Posted by oorah_okie View Post
    I question the need to release this information.
    I agree if it had been my kids I would not want to know the person that killed my 6 year old felt the need to unload 11 bullets in them. Breaks my heart this whole thing. My goal in life is two steps. Raise my kids who respect others and to see them and there children grow up and live healthy lives. Dear Lord I hope I die before they do. The families lives brothers sisters fathers mothers are changed forever. Praying for those families everyday.

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    Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
    Sounds like they were shot with a rifle
    Bushmaster AR15

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    Originally Posted by SoonerSean03 View Post

    Appears almost every story yesterday was false. Mother wasn't a teacher. He wasn't buzzed in. He had no affiliation with the school. He had no altercation there. Was anyone actually arrested in the woods? Fog of war type situation I guess. Just amazing how wrong the press was.
    That is the ****ing media....and I believe they too are part of the problem. There were probably more media people on the scene than police and rescue workers. Do they feel the need to make shit up because they are not getting the story fast enough? ****....let the police and rescue do their ****ing job...let them figure out what happened...get out of their ****ing faces and let them work.....then get your ****ing story. Leave the ****ing families alone. I'm pretty sure we can all imagine how this makes them feel. Why do we have to get a ****ing camera in their face as they are told their child is a victim or a survivor....ah so you can be the one to break a ****ing story....**** you...
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    OK teen arrested hours before everything happened in CT...
    http://news.yahoo.com/okla-teen-arre...184243533.html

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    Moved some posts to TD

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    Originally Posted by SoonerSean03 View Post
    We talked about it today that our children's school has a security system that requires you to swipe your drivers license which is then sent through a quick background check before the doors will open. But once it's open you're in the school. And apparently in this case the kid shot out or broke through a glass partition. So even though they had a somewhat similar security system it was rendered moot.

    In short - there's not a lot that can be done to protect against a psychotic. Even if there had been an armed officer there's a reasonable chance the psycho kills him/her too. Though I guess there's at least a chance the officer gets him first. Just hard to secure every school in America with an armed guard and so sad that it may be necessary.

    Appears almost every story yesterday was false. Mother wasn't a teacher. He wasn't buzzed in. He had no affiliation with the school. He had no altercation there. Was anyone actually arrested in the woods? Fog of war type situation I guess. Just amazing how wrong the press was.
    there is a lot to go on for the conspiracy theorists, tapes they played on tv earlier talked about shotguns on the scene? I watched an interview of a witness saying they took a guy out in cuffs, the tapes also talked of a 2nd gunman and you could hear the police yelling they were on him and to get down.

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    Originally Posted by OrionJc View Post
    Arrested hours before everything happened in CT...
    http://news.yahoo.com/okla-teen-arre...184243533.html
    We thought it was odd the text the school sent out glad they got that that doode before something bad happened here

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    Originally Posted by macdaddybuff View Post
    We thought it was odd the text the school sent out glad they got that that doode before something bad happened here

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    That is a good example of the system in place working. People being taught to report something when they hear it. So that it can get reported up to the proper authorities and they can investigate and hopefully stop anything before it happens...which it did.

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    Alright **** moved more posts to TD

    Again keep the gun control element to TD. Post info/articles/ on the actual event here. TD for the debate

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    they are supposed to have another news conference in the morning after doing the autopsy on the mother and shooter, they think they may have the crime scene done by monday. I can't ****ing imagine being a teacher and having to go back into that building in a few weeks/months or whenever they resume things.

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    Maybe its time to get rid of some of the drugs these people are on. And completely off the market as well.


    The answer lies in the enormous profits made by the huge pharmaceutical companies who gain by marketing these dangerous drugs. At the expense of our children's health and the safety of the public, these drugs are continually promoted as safe and necessary.
    Instead of making the obvious connection between the use of antidepressants and violent behavior, their spokespeople twist the truth and claim that the mental illness caused the violence, not the drug.
    And the pharmaceutical company representatives, along with the psychiatrists who push these deadly drugs promote their lies with a straight face.
    The public has been an unwitting victim of pharmaceutical greed for too long, and is finally awakening to the enormous and damaging results these drugs have caused.http://www.cchrflorida.org/blog/mass...nd-psychiatry/

    Morgan Freeman's take on Adam Lanza
    http://www.examiner.com/article/morg...-on-adam-lanza

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    I'd blame the violent realistic video games before I would the drugs

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    Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    I'd blame the violent realistic video games before I would the drugs
    Here is a link that ties school shootings to the drugs. Its amazing just how many that are linked to the drugs
    http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

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    I have a lot of trouble with these shootings. When I was a sophomore in high school, a kid brought a gun into my drivers ed class ****ed and loaded. He was supposedly going to shoot a few good friends of mine who had been picking on him. Luckily for us, the teacher reacted quickly and it was more of a cry for help than a murder/suicide. It still leaves an impression and is probably the reason I'm so sensitive to bullying to this day.

    These things have always happened with older kids, though. I've always struggled, but I've been able to justify with age. I have a 7 year old and a 3 year old. This one has been very tough to deal with and has brought back some deep seeded anxiety from my experience.

    I cry when I see these kids, the parents and think about what they will deal with for the rest of their lives. I was lucky. I didn't witness mass murder, just the reality of it.

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    Originally Posted by soonerUthenMe View Post
    Here is a link that ties school shootings to the drugs. Its amazing just how many that are linked to the drugs
    http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
    Are the drugs causing the problem, or are they just failing to work? It sounds like it's worth looking into, but I think it could be just as much of a statement that the drugs simply don't work, or are being prescribed incorrectly.

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    My son was diagnosed as ADHD by a respected Pediatric Neurologist here in Austin and put on ADHD medicine (Ritalin, Adderal, Stratera) for ten years. We kept switching medicines because we didn't see much improvement in him although his teachers said he was better on the medicines than off. Only when he tried to kill himself twice did we get a Neurol Psychological Examination on him that showed he was Aspergers Syndrome and not ADHD. And in fact, the ADHD medicine was like "throwing gasoline on a fire" for an Asperger condition according to his psychiatrist. After a year of therapy, and removal of the medication did he start to become his old self. Many lessons to be learned here, but my feeling is that medication, especially when misdiagnosed, violence in movies and on TV, violent video games, bullying from lack of social skills and being different, social isolation, and last but certainly not least, access to the internet are all causes. The chat sites we found my son visiting were horrendous. People actually giving him advice on how to kill himself, and offering encouragement to do so.

    I got a lawyer, gained custody from his mom, and moved him in with me six months ago and things seem to be going better with the exception of being socially able to cope in his new high school. Not sure what to do ablout that. He tells me he is lonely, no one talks to him, he eats alone, etc. Going to talk to the principal immediately on this and see if we can't get some sort of mentor support. Oh, and he has zero access to the internet and no first person shooter video games. It is a struggle, school is really hard. Self esteem is a huge issue.

    Austism rates are at alarming levels. It is a devastating condition.

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    Connecticut School Shooting

    http://bit.ly/We9HLO

    Disturbing article on the state of our mental health system. I'm not the biggest gun fan, but guns shouldn't be the primary issue here. Also, I suggest that people read the words of Morgan Freeman. Very powerful.

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    I've heard the Morgan Freeman statement is a hoax.

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    Originally Posted by Rowdyroady View Post
    My son was diagnosed as ADHD by a respected Pediatric Neurologist here in Austin and put on ADHD medicine (Ritalin, Adderal, Stratera) for ten years. We kept switching medicines because we didn't see much improvement in him although his teachers said he was better on the medicines than off. Only when he tried to kill himself twice did we get a Neurol Psychological Examination on him that showed he was Aspergers Syndrome and not ADHD. And in fact, the ADHD medicine was like "throwing gasoline on a fire" for an Asperger condition according to his psychiatrist. After a year of therapy, and removal of the medication did he start to become his old self. Many lessons to be learned here, but my feeling is that medication, especially when misdiagnosed, violence in movies and on TV, violent video games, bullying from lack of social skills and being different, social isolation, and last but certainly not least, access to the internet are all causes. The chat sites we found my son visiting were horrendous. People actually giving him advice on how to kill himself, and offering encouragement to do so.

    I got a lawyer, gained custody from his mom, and moved him in with me six months ago and things seem to be going better with the exception of being socially able to cope in his new high school. Not sure what to do ablout that. He tells me he is lonely, no one talks to him, he eats alone, etc. Going to talk to the principal immediately on this and see if we can't get some sort of mentor support. Oh, and he has zero access to the internet and no first person shooter video games. It is a struggle, school is really hard. Self esteem is a huge issue.

    Austism rates are at alarming levels. It is a devastating condition.
    Sounds like the best plan. Stay strong and be his best friend.

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    Originally Posted by Rowdyroady View Post
    My son was diagnosed as ADHD by a respected Pediatric Neurologist here in Austin and put on ADHD medicine (Ritalin, Adderal, Stratera) for ten years. We kept switching medicines because we didn't see much improvement in him although his teachers said he was better on the medicines than off. Only when he tried to kill himself twice did we get a Neurol Psychological Examination on him that showed he was Aspergers Syndrome and not ADHD. And in fact, the ADHD medicine was like "throwing gasoline on a fire" for an Asperger condition according to his psychiatrist. After a year of therapy, and removal of the medication did he start to become his old self. Many lessons to be learned here, but my feeling is that medication, especially when misdiagnosed, violence in movies and on TV, violent video games, bullying from lack of social skills and being different, social isolation, and last but certainly not least, access to the internet are all causes. The chat sites we found my son visiting were horrendous. People actually giving him advice on how to kill himself, and offering encouragement to do so.

    I got a lawyer, gained custody from his mom, and moved him in with me six months ago and things seem to be going better with the exception of being socially able to cope in his new high school. Not sure what to do ablout that. He tells me he is lonely, no one talks to him, he eats alone, etc. Going to talk to the principal immediately on this and see if we can't get some sort of mentor support. Oh, and he has zero access to the internet and no first person shooter video games. It is a struggle, school is really hard. Self esteem is a huge issue.

    Austism rates are at alarming levels. It is a devastating condition.
    Good for you, man. I know he's struggling socially at school but regardless, good for you.

    I'm no doctor, but the ADD/ADHD thing might well be the most misdiagnosed and overused condition in the history of medicine. The way the "Behavioral Speciaist" at my son's school describes her version of ADD, every single boy under the age of 10 could qualify as having ADD or ADHD. And I believe if she could walk around with a huge syringe full of adderall for all the boys in the school, she would. She's convinced some of the teachers "how easy it is" to diagnose ADD and so now they're all 'experts'. "Oh yeah - that's ADD". It's ****ing disgusting. Other teachers believe there's no such thing as ADD except in very rare cases, so at least half of the school (hopefully more than half) hasn't bought into the madness.

    According to other parents, pretty much every boy in my son's grade has heard the suggestions that they go through the diagnosis for ADD, which is extremely subjective. Including myself. I talked to my pediatrician about it and he said "there's no way your son has ADD" and went on for 10 minutes about how this has become an epidemically misdiagnosed condition.

    Sorry to go off-track but this is a sore subject for me. Anyway man, good job with your son.
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    Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    I'd blame the violent realistic video games before I would the drugs
    it is a combo of both I'm sure

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    Another interesting take on the mental health/drug issue: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ation/1742995/

    Worth a read if only because it's one of the few articles that "contradicts the perception that kids are overmedicated."

    Just 25% of teens with any disorder got treatment from mental health specialists.
    How can this be true?

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    Westboro plans to protest. Anonymous gives them their version of **** you.

    Can two wrongs make a right? Westboro Baptist Church, the vicious anti-gay group that pickets the funerals of soldiers and AIDS victims, recently declared it will protest at the burials of the children slain in Newtown, Conn. In response, the hacker group Anonymous posted personal information of church members online, including phone numbers, home and email addresses. The law gives us all the right to some privacy, but when the Westboro Church's stance on the shooting is to "sing praise to God for the glory of his work in executing his judgment," do they deserve what they get?

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    Westboro plans to protest. Anonymous gives them their version of **** you.
    http://pastebin.com/Xbk8bDTL

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    If Anonymous could somehow organize a complete skull-****ing of the Westboro cult as a result of this unspeakable tragedy, well. I'd appreciate Anonymous's effort.

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    Originally Posted by Julz View Post
    Westboro plans to protest. Anonymous gives them their version of **** you.
    This won't end well. All those times when folks say 'I wish this or that' on Westboro...I could see this or that happening at this one.

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    A church in the town has just been evacuated for some unknown reason at this point.

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    Originally Posted by Reclaimer View Post
    A church in the town has just been evacuated for some unknown reason at this point.

    Just heard that on the news here, state police in cammo with assault riffles are all over the place...!!!

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    The Mayans were right.

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    Originally Posted by Nuked View Post
    Another interesting take on the mental health/drug issue: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ation/1742995/

    Worth a read if only because it's one of the few articles that "contradicts the perception that kids are overmedicated."



    How can this be true?
    Lack of access to medications? Whole new can of worms that can be opened with this but that should be left to TD

    I'm still amazed they havent found this guys social media.

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    I posted this in the gun laws thread but feel its appropriate here



    SANDY HOOK SHOOTING
    I Am Adam Lanza's Mother

    Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

    "I can wear these pants," he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

    "They are navy blue," I told him. "Your school's dress code says black or khaki pants only."

    "They told me I could wear these," he insisted. "You're a stupid ****. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!"

    "You can't wear whatever pants you want to," I said, my tone affable, reasonable. "And you definitely cannot call me a stupid ****. You're grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school."

    I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.
    A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan-they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

    That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn't have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

    We still don't know what's wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He's been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

    At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he's in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He's in a good mood most of the time. But when he's not, watch out. And it's impossible to predict what will set him off.

    Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district's most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can't function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

    The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, "Look, Mom, I'm really sorry. Can I have video games back today?"

    "No way," I told him. "You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly."

    His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. "Then I'm going to kill myself," he said. "I'm going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself."

    That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.

    "Where are you taking me?" he said, suddenly worried. "Where are we going?"

    "You know where we are going," I replied.

    "No! You can't do that to me! You're sending me to hell! You're sending me straight to hell!"

    I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. "Call the police," I said. "Hurry."

    Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn't escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I'm still stronger than he is, but I won't be for much longer.

    The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork-"Were there any difficulties with… at what age did your child… were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have…"

    At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You'll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

    For days, my son insisted that I was lying-that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, "I hate you. And I'm going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here."

    By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I've heard those promises for years. I don't believe them anymore.

    On the intake form, under the question, "What are your expectations for treatment?" I wrote, "I need help."

    And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

    I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza's mother. I am Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris's mother. I am Jason Holmes's mother. I am Jared Loughner's mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho's mother. And these boys-and their mothers-need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it's easy to talk about guns. But it's time to talk about mental illness.

    According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

    When I asked my son's social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. "If he's back in the system, they'll create a paper trail," he said. "That's the only way you're ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you've got charges."

    I don't believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael's sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn't deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise-in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

    With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill-Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation's largest treatment centers in 2011.

    No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, "Something must be done."

    I agree that something must be done. It's time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That's the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

    God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.

    liza long is an author, musician, and erstwhile classicist. she is also a single mother of four bright, loved children, one of whom has special needs.

    Republished with permission from the Blue Review, a non-profit publication affiliated with Boise State University that publishes a mix of scholarly essays and journalism. The original post can be found here.
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    Good article ks. The fact is 50 years ago that child would have been institutionalized for life. And the politicians (primarily Republicans - my party incidentally) would rather build more prisons and expand gun rights than help the mentally ill.

    You can't kill a tee by pruning the limbs.

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    Is it going to be weeks before we know the simplest of facts involving this event? I've never seen so many false reports. That article was written today and they had the shooter's name and age wrong, again attributing it to the older brother (they later corrected it, evidently)

    The rifle was reportedly left in the car; now it's the weapon used to kill inside the school. Someone else listed many other false reports. Wtf man?

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    And guys, Asperger's isn't tied to violent behavior. I wouldn't even call it a "mental illness". Shit, the smartest guy who's ever worked at my employer had Asperger's.

    But to be fair, for all we know this fellow was schizophrenic. I won't believe a ****ing thing I read about this whole situation for another few weeks, when these knee-jerk "GET THE STORY OUT NOW, CHECK FACTS LATER!!" reports subside.

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    Yeah if this report has any truth to it, he had alot more than just Asperger's

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16...-felt-no-pain/

    At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza had trouble relating to fellow students and teachers, but that was only part of his problem. He seemed not to feel physical or psychological pain in the same way as classmates.

    Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly "had some disabilities."

    "If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that."

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    That article got the shooter and his brother's name mixed up.
    The media sucks. So much misinformation and false stories.

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    My bosses son has aspergers and he is not violent but he does lack social skills so others think he is rude and maybe dangerous but he's not so those who are saying its bc of anything in the autism spectrum are wrong

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    60 Minutes has a special on tonight and interviews the nurse that was there in the school.

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    Originally Posted by Bruno Gianelli View Post
    Good article ks. The fact is 50 years ago that child would have been institutionalized for life. And the politicians (primarily Republicans - my party incidentally) would rather build more prisons and expand gun rights than help the mentally ill.

    You can't kill a tee by pruning the limbs.
    And the dems want to blame the tool as the cause and live in a make believe world that restricting guns and gun rights will solve the problem and prevent mass killers. Botth keep building prisons and spending millions upon millions incarcerating people who smoke a ****ing plant. If politicians of both sides spent a fraction of the energy and money they do on blaming tools and fighting a "war on drugs" on the mental health care system, it would put a sizable dent in these mass killings. But that doesn't sell well to the media, to political agendas, to special interests and to voters. Restricting this and restricting that will further agendas but will not solve the problems in our society.

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