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    What do you guys think about a mandatory gun safety class prior to being allowed to buy a gun?

    I took at CCW class and learned a lot.
    I considered myself and pretty knowledgeable about gun safety.

    The class can be free or the cost can be very little.

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    On, and last point I'll make in re: TSA:

    I know a lot of you don't get the opportunity to fly general aviation. You know what I like most about flying private? I can walk directly on board without being hassled by anybody. One could bring an asston of high explosives with oneself onto a larger jet with an unprotected ****pit, if one were so inclined.

    Now tell me again about how TSA is making us safer.
    If you have two subsets, and you subtract from one subset, the overall set is still less even if the second subset remains the same.

    Man, you have a real hardon for the TSA!!

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    Originally Posted by TenYards View Post
    What do you guys think about a mandatory gun safety class prior to being allowed to buy a gun?

    I took at CCW class and learned a lot.
    I considered myself and pretty knowledgeable about gun safety.

    The class can be free or the cost can be very little.
    Could be good. But it could also give some folks a false sense of security that they now are officially trained and can "officially" handle a gun now.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    If you have two subsets, and you subtract from one subset, the overall set is still less even if the second subset remains the same.

    Man, you have a real hardon for the TSA!!
    Except, as rational people will interpolate from this, is that TSA is NOT there to prevent airplanes from being hijacked and used to crash into buildings. Hassan Salaaam al Ackbar Jihaddi or Joe Smith the IRS Hating Abortion Doctor Murderer could easily bypass TSA altogether by chartering a jet.

    So, I ask again, what exactly is TSA doing?
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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post

    Man, you have a real hardon for the TSA!!
    I find it appalling that we would so freely give up our rights due to fear.

    A fear of something that has a statistically insignificant chance of happening.
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    Originally Posted by TenYards View Post
    What do you guys think about a mandatory gun safety class prior to being allowed to buy a gun?

    I took at CCW class and learned a lot.
    I considered myself and pretty knowledgeable about gun safety.

    The class can be free or the cost can be very little.
    The NRA has the Eddie Eagle GunSafe program for kids pre-k through 3 grade. This should be a part of every school districts education program.

    The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program teaches children in pre-K through third grade four important steps to take if they find a gun. These steps are presented by the program's mascot, Eddie Eagle®, in an easy-to-remember format consisting of the following simple rules:

    If you see a gun:

    STOP!
    Don't Touch.
    Leave the Area.
    Tell an Adult.

    Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has reached more than 25 million children - in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel.

    Anyone may teach The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program, and NRA membership is not required. The program may be readily incorporated into existing school curriculum, taught in a one- to five-day format, and used to reach both levels or simply one or two grades. Materials available through this program are: student workbooks, 7-minute animated video (available on DVD), instructor guides, brochures, and student reward stickers. Program materials are also available in Spanish.

    The NRA is committed to helping keep America's young children safe. In efforts to do so, we offer our program at a nominal fee. Schools, law enforcement agencies, hospitals, daycare centers, and libraries may be eligible to receive grant funding to defray program costs. Grant funding is available in many states to these groups to cover the cost of all program curriculum materials.

    The purpose of the Eddie Eagle Program isn't to teach whether guns are good or bad, but rather to promote the protection and safety of children. The program makes no value judgments about firearms, and no firearms are ever used in the program. Like swimming pools, electrical outlets, matchbooks and household poison, they're treated simply as a fact of everyday life. With firearms found in about half of all American households, it's a stance that makes sense.

    Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention - ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members. The NRA does not receive any appropriations from Congress, nor is it a trade organization. It is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.

    http://eddieeagle.nra.org/

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    I think air marshalls make sense.

    I am 100% opposed to armed guards at schools.
    We've had an Edmond policeman in the 3 Edmond High Schools for a number of years. Surveillance on all of the classrooms, halls and school grounds. I like it.

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    I find it appalling that we would so freely give up our rights due to fear.

    A fear of something that has a statistically insignificant chance of happening.
    Why was there an underwear bomber or a shoe bomber?

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Why was there an underwear bomber or a shoe bomber?
    Why was there duck billed platypuses?

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    Why was there duck billed platypuses?
    To fool the TSA?

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    I'm pretty sure Putnam City school district has their own PD....it has been around for at least 25-30yrs...

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    Originally Posted by SoonerArtillery View Post
    I'm pretty sure Putnam City school district has their own PD....it has been around for at least 25-30yrs...
    I don't know how long Edmond has had them but at least for 10-15 years. Hell, there are over 2000 kids at each high school.

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    Why was there duck billed platypuses?
    "Sir, is that a bomb I see in your briefcase?"

    "No, Mr.TSA agent, that is a duck billed platypus."

    "Ok, fine, move along."
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    I heard some celebrity talking about banning guns and I wish somebody would ask these celebrities all how willing they would be to give up all their armed security that protects them on their movie sets, when they travel, go to movie premiers, the store, at their home.
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    If teachers are allowed to carry a weapon in schools, and its going to be proposed, I'm getting my ccw because I don't trust some of the crazies I work with.
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    I forgot to mention I talked with Sen Sharp, I believe that's who it's was, at a ground breaking for our new HS and he said he was going to make sure guns on teachers happened.

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    Except, as rational people will interpolate from this, is that TSA is NOT there to prevent airplanes from being hijacked and used to crash into buildings. Hassan Salaaam al Ackbar Jihaddi or Joe Smith the IRS Hating Abortion Doctor Murderer could easily bypass TSA altogether by chartering a jet.

    So, I ask again, what exactly is TSA doing?
    Let's try this again:

    If you have two subsets (hijacked commercial planes flying into buildings) and (private charters being hijacked and flying into buildings), and you subtract from one subset (hijacked commercial planes flying into buildings), the overall set is still less even if the second subset (private charters being hijacked and flying into buildings) remains the same.

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    Bloomberg is probably having a heart attack.

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    Originally Posted by kssooner View Post
    I heard some celebrity talking about banning guns and I wish somebody would ask these celebrities all how willing they would be to give up all their armed security that protects them on their movie sets, when they travel, go to movie premiers, the store, at their home.
    i would like someone to ask them what they think of banning all guns in all movies/tv shows/video games....

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    i would like someone to ask them what they think of banning all guns in all movies/tv shows/video games....
    It's the only way...

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    In the days before the massacre, the mother of Adam Lanza was pushing her loner son to leave the Newtown home that provided his refuge from reality, a family friend told the Daily News Wednesday.
    “He sat in his room playing video games for hours and hours,” the friend said. “She thought the best thing was for him to get out of the house and into the world. To interact with people a little bit.”
    Nancy Lanza had brought her son to a psychiatrist as he became increasingly anti-social — spending endless hours in his room by himself.






    seems pretty simple

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    Originally Posted by TenYards View Post
    What do you guys think about a mandatory gun safety class prior to being allowed to buy a gun?

    I took at CCW class and learned a lot.
    I considered myself and pretty knowledgeable about gun safety.

    The class can be free or the cost can be very little.
    I go back and take the gun safety class every year or so. I don't want myself thinking I know it all. IMO that's when you get sloppy.

    Originally Posted by SoonerArtillery View Post
    I'm pretty sure Putnam City school district has their own PD....it has been around for at least 25-30yrs...
    Vegas had an entire force - dogs, patrol cars, etc. Don't know what KCMO has. Nor do I know what we have here in the burbs. I know on the day of the shooting one city had officers increasing their presence around the grade schools. No mention of actual in school officers.

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    Why was there duck billed platypuses?
    because a horny ass duck ****ed a beaver
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-beauty-queen/

    looks like our atf agents can't even follow our current gun laws

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    This puts Time at the head of the groveling for a bailout list.

    Originally Posted by willie View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...-beauty-queen/

    looks like our atf agents can't even follow our current gun laws
    Maybe while they're investigating they can investigate the guns that killed a border agent and over 300 Mexican citizens.

    That's the question being asked by congressional investigators and ATF officials in Phoenix

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    Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    Vegas had an entire force - dogs, patrol cars, etc. Don't know what KCMO has. Nor do I know what we have here in the burbs. I know on the day of the shooting one city had officers increasing their presence around the grade schools. No mention of actual in school officers.
    My wife mentioned that there was a police officer out in front of the school when she was dismissing her kids last Friday too.

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    Originally Posted by Sooner Bob View Post
    My wife mentioned that there was a police officer out in front of the school when she was dismissing her kids last Friday too.
    Just saw a cop car at my kid's elementary school at noon. Unusual.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Just saw a cop car at my kid's elementary school at noon. Unusual.
    Won't be....

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    Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Won't be....
    I'm good with that...

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    Heard lots of cops at Yukon schools today. Rumors of threats.

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    why are your kids still in school?
    mine were out early on tuesday...

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Just saw a cop car at my kid's elementary school at noon. Unusual.
    They've actually had arrests made on parents while the kids were dismissing . . . .

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    why are your kids still in school?
    mine were out early on tuesday...
    Because they're on a different schedule?

    My wife was done for the year yesterday and one of my girls was finished with finals yesterday (but decided to go to school today anyway for some reason) and the other is done tomorrow.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    why are your kids still in school?
    mine were out early on tuesday...
    Friend that works there texted me about it. We aren't in Yukon anymore.

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    Originally Posted by Sooner Bob View Post
    Because they're on a different schedule?

    My wife was done for the year yesterday and one of my girls was finished with finals yesterday (but decided to go to school today anyway for some reason) and the other is done tomorrow.
    did she take an ar-15 with her?

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    did you read the thread?

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    LEWROCKWELL.COM BLOG

    December 21, 2012
    ‘Why don't we hear more about these public shootings?’
    Posted by David Kramer on December 21, 2012 10:29 AM

    A friend of LRC reader Randy Peoples asked that question along with the following private gun ownership confrontations with armed criminals:

    • A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
    • A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
    • A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
    • A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
    • A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
    • A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
    • A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
    • At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

    Why haven't most of you heard of these? The answer is simple: Mainstream media and radicals like Bloomberg don't dare make heroes of armed citizens because it CRUSHES every weak, pathetic argument they raise.

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    The Second Amendment Was Never About Personal Protection
    Posted by David Kramer on December 20, 2012 11:25 PM

    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal protection. Owning a gun back in colonial times was like owning a knife and fork. The idea of needing a law to protect one's right to own a gun would be as ridiculous back then as the idea of needing a law to protect one's right to own a knife and fork would seem ridiculous to us today. In fact, a number of colonies had laws requiring one to own a gun.

    The Second Amendment is about the right of the people to form a militia to fight Federal government tyranny. That being said, the FIRST sort of weapon to do that today would be an assault weapon, i.e., NOT a .38 caliber pistol. So EVERYONE—including the NRA—is wrong when they claim that the Federal government can ban (or even regulate) assault weapons. It would be like Hitler claiming he had the right to ban or regulate the U.S. military during WWII, i.e., telling the U.S. military which weapons it could and could not use against the Wehrmacht.

    The fact that the Federal government does regulate firearms is just one more glaring proof that the U.S. Constitution is meaningless. It also proves that government itself—because it is a forced monopoly of force—will always become more and more abusive and tyrannical as time goes on.

    Let's hear it for voluntaryism.

    UPDATE: My libertarian friend David Sack sent me this:

    "Someone at the office asked me, yesterday, what type of “arms” I thought the Second Amendment protects. The answer to that is those arms of the same caliber and quantity as the armed federal officers who come to your door have."

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    Originally Posted by SoonerWalkon View Post
    LEWROCKWELL.COM BLOG

    December 20, 2012
    The Second Amendment Was Never About Personal Protection
    Posted by David Kramer on December 20, 2012 11:25 PM

    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal protection. Owning a gun back in colonial times was like owning a knife and fork. The idea of needing a law to protect one's right to own a gun would be as ridiculous back then as the idea of needing a law to protect one's right to own a knife and fork would seem ridiculous to us today. In fact, a number of colonies had laws requiring one to own a gun.

    The Second Amendment is about the right of the people to form a militia to fight Federal government tyranny. That being said, the FIRST sort of weapon to do that today would be an assault weapon, i.e., NOT a .38 caliber pistol. So EVERYONE—including the NRA—is wrong when they claim that the Federal government can ban (or even regulate) assault weapons. It would be like Hitler claiming he had the right to ban or regulate the U.S. military during WWII, i.e., telling the U.S. military which weapons it could and could not use against the Wehrmacht.

    The fact that the Federal government does regulate firearms is just one more glaring proof that the U.S. Constitution is meaningless. It also proves that government itself—because it is a forced monopoly of force—will always become more and more abusive and tyrannical as time goes on.

    Let's hear it for voluntaryism.

    UPDATE: My libertarian friend David Sack sent me this:

    "Someone at the office asked me, yesterday, what type of “arms” I thought the Second Amendment protects. The answer to that is those arms of the same caliber and quantity as the armed federal officers who come to your door have."
    I'm all for gun owners, but this is just a special kind of stupid.

    But I call dibs on a tank!!!!

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    From one of my VET Buds who drove BUFS,

    Please don't take this out of context, which is easy to do when only one or two verses are quoted without including the meaning snd intent of the surrounding verses. I recommend you read the entire Book along with prayer to understand the true meaning. Saying this, below are the last instructions of Jesus to his disciples before going to the garden to pray and his crucifixion and resurrection.

    "35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

    The short sword Jesus directed us to buy was the best tool for personal protection of his day. The equivalent to the AR-15 or semi-automatic handgun of today. And just like 2000 years ago, a sword would just be a danger to its owner if he did not know how and have the ability to employ it. The same goes for a handgun or rifle today.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    I'm all for gun owners, but this is just a special kind of stupid.

    But I call dibs on a tank!!!!
    I have never seen nor heard of the FBI showing up at someones door in an M1A1 Abrams. Anyone else?

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    Originally Posted by Fahooglegods View Post
    I have never seen nor heard of the FBI showing up at someones door in an M1A1 Abrams. Anyone else?

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    You retard.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    You retard.
    Easy sally it was a joke. Pull the stick out of your ass.

    On a side not there are civilians that own fully operational wwII era tanks.

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    If you are going to advocate something radical, and unpopular because you believe it to be the right thing, you best not be a hypocrite about it. This is where we come to Michael Bloomberg, the quasi-commie mayor of NYC.

    He says we should ban guns, but has six highly trained, and armed bodyguards around him 24/7. He would say that his life is more important than the life of the person who would do him harm. Why can't I say that? Bloomberg is a typical oligarch, who wants to prohibit you what he himself enjoys.

    Now, an idea does not become invalid because a proponent of that idea is a ****ing hypocrite. An idea becomes invalid when it doesn't work. For example, New York city has the strictest gun laws in the US. Yet when an armed gunman showed up at his old work place to shoot people up, another armed person was needed to stop him.
    http://www.inquisitr.com/311349/bloo...lace-shooting/
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    Oh looks like Bloomberg is ok with gun industry if his city is making money.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/ny...=nyregion&_r=0

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