I see where the government just bought what, another 21.5 million rounds. Nice to see they're so worried about how many bullets we can take deer hunting.
I wonder what the burglary rate in Missouri would jump to if this bill is passed. I'm pretty sure all my guns would be stolen if it passed.
If people really knew what the government is doing, they would not complain about the 2nd amendment. Even in states like ours where the local authorities say they will prosecute federal authorities who try to take guns away, this fierce protection of the 2nd is because of who occupies the white house. You put in a GOP guy in the white house, and the authorities in this state comply with WH demands.
It's hard to have peace in stolen land.
Government needs wars. If there are no wars (on drugs, guns, terrorism, etc) then the public will turn their attention to the way the government abuses tax payer money. So they manufacture wars to keep us on our toes. Al-qaeda is all but reduced to ashes, so we are next.
When you ban guns just like with drugs all you are doing is promoting criminals to have guns. Do we really want guns and drugs in the hands of criminals?
Magpul threatening to leave Colorado if the State Legislature enacts new laws.
Crime rates flux in other countries year to year. What DOESN"T change is America is the least safe country in the world by a large margin
Depends on what you mean by least safe and how you get crime rate stats. Violent crime rates have actually been trending down in the US. And I've seen stats that say about a third of the crime rate in the US is because of the border issues we have mostly to do with drugs. And this doesn't even add to the drug crimes in major cities and gang violence that comes from it.
America is a large country with 350 million people, huge metropolis in every corner of the country, and it is quite a bit different from these fairly ethnically homogenous European countries. I cringe anytime compares the whole of USA with particular European countries.
The fact is Australia's crime rate went up after banning the guns. There is no logical way to escape that. Hell, someone could bring another watermarked map from God knows where, and tell us the US just caught fire from all the gun shots, yet it would not change the fact that in Australia after they took the guns, crime rate went up. http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847
What is going on in America has nothing to do with Australia. Yeah crime rate is high in the US, but take the guns and the crime rate doubles.
I also don't think that anybody who values reason would say that Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Mexico are safer than the US.
If we are to believe the FBI, crime rate has seen a steady decline in this country: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
If you look at most crime rate numbers in the US the actual crime rate for most states are going down. Violent crime rate is really going down. And has been for a long time It peaked in the mid 90s. However we are seeing more and more people incarcerated.
How will a gun ban stop Mexican drug dealers from flooding the US market with guns?
Change our drug laws and give the Mexican drug dealers more or less nothing to fight over. It would also help our gang crime problems in inner cities. But lets not do something that actually makes sense and continue this war on drugs and continue to promote violence.
In his country we don't care as much that people die, but how they die. If 20 children die in one day, that's not according to our view of life, so we get all angry (rightly so). But if hundreds of children die in the streets of Chicago in one year, then we don't get so angry.
If 20 children die in one day we want to suspend the constitution, but if 50 million die in 37 years, we call that a woman's right to choose.
If stricter laws kept things from the market drugs wouldn't be a problem in this country. We basically promoted Mexican drug dealers having guns last year and all Obama really did was blame it on Bush. You really trust a government that does something like that to keep guns out of the black market? Good luck with that.
The only thing a gun ban or restriction would accomplish is taking away liberty from the those who obey the law.
The gangs in Chicago are getting their guns from other thieves (the stolen gun black market) and next door in Indiana and other bordering states. No matter how much legislation is passed, the criminal black market will ALWAYS be there for guns, drugs, Ho's, or anything else they can make money off of. It will never change! Thinking otherwise is silly.
Guns don't dissolve over time...
Stopping future production of guns doesn't take guns off the street especially those held by violent criminals. No amount of legislation will stop a dirtbag in Chicago from murdering kids in their neighborhood.
Not to mention the fact that the second highest country on that list is supposedly gun free. So it kind of makes you think that gun restrictions =/= safeness.
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full version of magpul's open letter printed in the Denver Post.
I pulled it off their facebook page, may be easier to read it there.
All firearm and ammunition manufacturers should refuse sales and service to any goverment entity in any ban state.
Only about 3% of all gun crimes right now are by rifles of some kind. If we ban even those type of guns, that number would jump significantly almost overnight.
I fail to see how regulated registration and permitting is a intrusion on the American people and yes if the process was more strenuous less guns in the end would end up on the street. Law abiding citizens would still have access to the weapons they desire and less weapons would fall through the woodwork Its kind of obtuse to think otherwise
Im pro clip restriction and i do believe now certain varieties of weapons should NOT be available without a even more strenuous process then above.
Personally, I still see no real reason for recreational assault guns in the general public hand especially without some deep deep background digging and psych exams. I under stand why people feel otherwise ( We'll fight a corrupt government if it comes to it etc) but in the end that line of thinking is narcissistic, technology has progressed well past the point of the 2nd amendment and muzzle loaders. Im pro home protection, pro hunting but iI think if people want to own these other weapons there should be some extra responsibilities to meet. How is registration a violation of the Second Amendment? You have the right to vote but you must first register. You have to have to register property, and get licenses for marriage etc I don't understand the disconnect
Again im not saying ban the damn things, i'm saying their should be a "price" (mandates met) to play with certain toys.
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