I have trouble seeing how even very large numbers of civilians would mount an effective resistance to the federal government, assuming the federal government is fighting for its own survival. We're not going to hop on four-wheelers and in H2s and storm DC.
And if you're talking about how all we need to do is vote the bums out to "overthrow" then, then we aren't talking about needing guns.
Just saying- things are massively different now than when the Second Amendment was adopted. We can't and shouldn't try to maintain the mindset that we need guns to oppose a tyrannical US federal government. It's just not realistic. I prefer to deal in practical terms.
Here's a another thought to consider for the gun banners. The Clinton Assault Weapon ban started in 1994 and sunset in 2004. It banned:
Remember what happened in 1999? Columbine. The weapons used:In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non-select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of cosmetic features from the following list of features:
A semi-automatic Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifle.
An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
- Folding or telescoping stock
- Pistol grip
- Bayonet mount
- Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
- Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
- Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
- Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
- Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
- Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
- A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
The Act also defined and banned 'large capacity ammunition feeding devices' in the ban, which generally applied to magazines or other ammunition feeding devices with capacities of greater than a certain number of rounds, and that up to the time of the Act were considered normal or factory magazines. Media and popular culture referred to these as 'high capacity magazines or feeding devices'. Depending on the locality and type of firearm, the cutoff between a 'normal' capacity and 'high' capacity magazine was 3, 7, 10, 12, 15, or 20 rounds. The now defunct federal ban set the limit at 10 rounds.
- Folding or telescoping stock
- Pistol grip
- Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
- Detachable magazine.
The assault weapon ban did jack ****ing shit to stop Columbine. It will do jack ****ing shit to stop another mass killing.In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. A rifle and the two shotguns were bought by a friend named Robyn Anderson at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998. Through a friend, Robert Duran, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from an individual named Mark Manes for $500.
Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns to make them easier to conceal. The perpetrators committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, even before the massacre began.
On April 20, Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines, which he fired a total of 96 times.
Klebold was equipped with a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold was to fire primarily the TEC-9 handgun: this weapon was to be fired 55 times in total.
The differences between the two parties for a long time haven't really been fundamental. More like subtle-to-very-little
My guess is they will ban future sale of high capacity magazines and possibly "assault looking" weapons...which will do nothing to actually resolve the problem but will make some of their constituents feel safer...
Guys, the US military ARE US citizens. There is no reason to think as many of them wouldnt be for the revolution as are against it. The idea that even the government lackeys would just start obliterating US cities because they are "following orders" in the middle of a population uprising is crazy. Maybe I am being naive, but I just find that incredibly hard to believe. And as far as the great might of the US military wiping the floor with poor ragtag rifle wielding dissidents... I give you Exhibit A - Iraq and exhibit B - Afghanistan. Its been over a decade folks, would you say the Iraqis and Afghanies have had the resistance beaten out of them yet? If our military didnt obliterate them (at a time when the bulk of the will of the US people was behind them) what makes you think they would do it to their own people?
All I can say is I hope I never need my gun for more than my annual deer hunting trip and my monthly trip to the range to shoot targets. I have family guns passed down from 3 generations and me being the 4th, I have guns that were my father's, I have 2 guns I have purchased. I have a gun safe and keep my ammo in a different wall safe. I teach my son to shoot, to be safe and I would never tell him the combo for the gun safe. I think the number of folks like myself far out reach the number of folks stealing guns and shooting people. However like drugs you can outlaw anything you want and people who want to buy it will get it. The people seeking guns illegally scare me way more than the people who buy them the correct way.
I also wouldn't be surprised to see them tax the snot out of ammo much like they did cigarettes...
Instead of 50 cents a round I could see 2 or 3 bucks down the road...
Just so everyone understands...those charts showing "assault deaths" are NOT referring to deaths by guns or assault rifles, but rather deaths resulting from any kind of assault.
And why was this little tidbit , from the link provided, not posted....
3. Lots of guns don’t necessarily mean lots of shootings, as you can see in Israel and Switzerland.*
As David Lamp writes at Cato, “In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel ‘have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.’”
Here are some more interesting numbers...straight from the FBI, rather than a news media source. Violent crime rates have been cut nearly in half since 1992.
1. Have y'all heard of the Civil War?
2. If we don't have to fear the government's tyranny, then why do we need guns? After all, you guys keep saying the military would never harm an American citizen on purpose...guess we don't need guns!
From Shooter's link...
1800 (of 10000 known age) of the murder offenders were under the age of 20..
Another 2417 of the murder offenders were between 20-24
So 42% of all homicide (known age) were by those under age 24
I won't get into the race statistics...
Let's get radical...
The limited data (not just gun related murders) suggests that we should raise the age limit to purchase or own a gun to 24...though that thought goes out the window since so many murderers are under the age of 18
2. Notwithstanding #1, if you guys are right and we don't need to worry about the government using its military power against us, why do we need guns to protect ourselves from governmental tyranny?
Some of y'all are being inconsistent, that's all.
My main point is that the idea and use of the Second Amendment in modern society isn't really applicable anymore. There's no way in hell our citizenry could protect itself from the government.
Put this in your pipe and smoke it...
Firearms account for the vast majority of murder 68%
Handguns account for the vast majority of murder by firearm 72%
You are more likely to be murdered by a knife (1694), fist (728), shotgun (356), other (1659) than by rifle (323)
Gawd damn I like accurate data....lots and lots of accurate data...
But we gotta limit that magazine size...got get rid of that handle and adjustable stock...
Did any Union soldiers fight for the south? Did any military that was in the south stay in the south? Were there federal soldiers in the south at any point in the lad-up to the Civil War that ended up fighting for the Confederacy? Make your question make sense.
Also, WTF does it have to do with anything? I think we can all agree that the federal government is more than willing to use military and paramilitary force on our own citizens. The Civil War shows that. The raid on the Branch Davidians shows that. When properly motivated, our own Armed Forces will kill US civilians. That's my point, and I think it's pretty self-evident.
We want to limit capacity on assault weapons that account for far less than four percent of total murders...
I wonder how many of those 323 murders by rifle took more than a half dozen shots...
It's time to start sliding this Nation down the slippery slope of gun control! It will be a long process, but in time public opinion will turn against the common use and ownership of guns. Eventually evolution and reason will dissolve the angry insistence of today's patriotic, gun-toting, neanderthals into a marginalized, minority fringe---like the Westboro Baptists, for instance.