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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    bullshit
    No, it really isn't. It became one of Ronald Reagan's legacies, even though all he really did was sign the legislation, but in the 1970s the idea took root that involuntary institutionalization wasn't the best way to treat mental illness. Thus, the passage of the Mental Health Systems Act. This is the legislation that would ultimately lead to tens of thousands of mentally unstable people swelling the ranks of the homeless and prisons. It would also, indirectly, lead to one of Reagan's more famous gaffes when he spoke of many of the homeless being people who were "poor by choice." But, there is no doubt that making it very difficult to keep someone institutionalized without their consent had an effect on society.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    then it's not surprising you don't have understand matthew 10
    It's also not surprising that you can twist anything to mean whatever you want it to mean.

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    It's also not surprising that you can twist anything to mean whatever you want it to mean.
    87 rocks at that ..
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    Originally Posted by Mississippi Sooner View Post
    No, it really isn't. It became one of Ronald Reagan's legacies, even though all he really did was sign the legislation, but in the 1970s the idea took root that involuntary institutionalization wasn't the best way to treat mental illness. Thus, the passage of the Mental Health Systems Act. This is the legislation that would ultimately lead to tens of thousands of mentally unstable people swelling the ranks of the homeless and prisons. It would also, indirectly, lead to one of Reagan's more famous gaffes when he spoke of many of the homeless being people who were "poor by choice." But, there is no doubt that making it very difficult to keep someone institutionalized without their consent had an effect on society.
    has there been any factual reports about this kids "mental illness"?
    were the columbine kids ever diagnosed "mentally ill"?
    prolly ought to wait for the facts on this one...

    you don't institutionalize kids who are shy/quiet/socially isolated...

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    has there been any factual reports about this kids "mental illness"?
    were the columbine kids ever diagnosed "mentally ill"?
    prolly ought to wait for the facts on this one...

    you don't institutionalize kids who are shy/quiet/socially isolated...
    Yeah, but if this guy were Muslim instead of white....
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    It's also not surprising that you can twist anything to mean whatever you want it to mean.
    it's good entertainment watching someone who thinks he possesses great intelligence.....fail so miserably in bible comprehension.....

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    it's good entertainment watching someone who thinks he possesses great intelligence.....fail so miserably in bible comprehension.....
    So, you're saying this passage is up to interpretation?????

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    Yeah, but if this guy were Muslim instead of white....
    are you saying all muslims are mentally ill?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    are you saying all muslims are mentally ill?
    Just like all Religiously Deluded people.

    EDIT: and nice way to miss my point there, Buckaroo.
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    So, you're saying this passage is up to interpretation?????
    no....i'm saying there's one interpretation.....and you failed

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    Originally Posted by OnlyOneOklahoma View Post
    False. His argument was the absence of god in public schools leads to the violence we witness.

    It is not hard to see that his argument is actually that God should be in public schools because then this shit won't happen.

    Which in turn makes the skeptic ask, why would God be so petty to allow a shooting to happen in a public school if God were capable of preventing it?

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    I read that and I have read many of my friends posting similar things, As you know I am a non believer but most every believer ever thinks Jesus walks with them.. So if Jesus is with them all the time (the believers) is he not in the schools. Was this young man a believer, was he taught this at home, was there some reason to believe if he prayed at school he would not grow up to massacre these people... it is odd to me with the we need jesus in schools crowd as to why he suddenly isn't with them as they constantly say you know "jesus is my co-pilot"
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    no....i'm saying there's one interpretation.....and you failed
    So... your interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one, no?

    So, one could say that you alone know the mind of god, correct?

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    Yeah, but if this guy were Muslim instead of white....
    He would be a terrorist not a mentally ill kid --

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    What is it about the violence? Name your tune!!! Why is it that this kind of thing is happening in the last 20-30 years? Why did it not happen in 1900s, 1910s, 1920s,......1950s or 60s????? Please give us YOUR reason of WHY? Do you only sit back and complain about others and never provide solutions? Guess who does that, Rush, the FOX boys!!!!
    Bath School - 1927
    South Pasadena High - 1940
    Pope Elementary - 1959
    texas tower shooting - 1966
    Orangburg - 1968
    Cleveland Elementary - 1979
    Palo Duro High - 1992

    Just to name a few.
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    So... your interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one, no?

    So, one could say that you alone know the mind of god, correct?
    it's not my interpretation....but yes....there can only be ONE correct interpretation...
    and yours is not it.....shocker....i know

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    So... your interpretation of the Bible is the only correct one, no?

    So, one could say that you alone know the mind of god, correct
    ?
    Now you are starting to understand 87. His world view if very simple; he's right and the rest of us are clueless.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    it's not my interpretation....but yes....there can only be ONE correct interpretation...
    and yours is not it.....shocker....i know
    like all "history" it is an interpreted discipline and always sways to the side of the interpreter..

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    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    Now you are starting to understand 87. His world view if very simple; he's right and the rest of us are clueless.
    whew I thought only and I knew this =)
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    it's not my interpretation....but yes....there can only be ONE correct interpretation...
    and yours is not it.....shocker....i know
    And what is your reasoning for this Assurance? Is this something that you've A) Come up with on your own, B) Were told by someone else, or C) Other?

    I ask because I know a lot of religious people that are pretty self assured in their beliefs. What makes yours correct?

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    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    Now you are starting to understand 87. His world view if very simple; he's right and the rest of us are clueless.
    is the your boyfriend?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    is the your boyfriend?
    He wishes.

    I'm too good looking for BB.
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    Almost had a school shooting in Oklahoma yesterday

    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    is the your boyfriend?
    Jealous? I mean, BBS is pretty awesome.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    has there been any factual reports about this kids "mental illness"?
    were the columbine kids ever diagnosed "mentally ill"?
    prolly ought to wait for the facts on this one...

    you don't institutionalize kids who are shy/quiet/socially isolated...
    I would say shooting a shit ton of innocents is a pretty good indication they ere crazy.
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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    I would say shooting a shit ton of innocents is a pretty good indication they ere crazy.
    maybe they're just genetically predisposed to poor decisions.......which makes them normal...

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    I would say shooting a shit ton of innocents is a pretty good indication they ere crazy.
    I have always thought that a person has become mentally unstable no matter the cause when they kill someone. I believe the wiring in our brains makes us sophisticated enough not to kill each other without good reason, some become mentally unstable when cheated on, or your life is threaten it is an instinctive unstable and sometimes people are just born missing some of the wiring and this causes some problems.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    maybe they're just genetically predisposed to poor decisions.......which makes them normal...
    no no silly that is how you view poor people

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    Why did you skip my question, 87?

    Because if you're right, I want on that train, ****it!
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    And what is your reasoning for this Assurance? Is this something that you've A) Come up with on your own, B) Were told by someone else, or C) Other?

    I ask because I know a lot of religious people that are pretty self assured in their beliefs. What makes yours correct?
    truth is a timeless concept..
    Jesus was never deceptive

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    Does anybody else just want to twist 87's head off, or is it just me??
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    truth is a timeless concept..
    Jesus was never deceptive
    But how do you know that when man (a flawed and unpure being) interpreted and "wrote" the bible he did not **** it up

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    Why did you skip my question, 87?

    Because if you're right, I want on that train, ****it!
    He can't answer that question honestly so might as well move on.

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    Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    I have always thought that a person has become mentally unstable no matter the cause when they kill someone. I believe the wiring in our brains makes us sophisticated enough not to kill each other without good reason, some become mentally unstable when cheated on, or your life is threaten it is an instinctive unstable and sometimes people are just born missing some of the wiring and this causes some problems.
    so our soldiers are mentally unstable?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    truth is a timeless concept..
    Jesus was never deceptive
    Are you saying that you are Jesus?

    Because that's either what you're saying or you're avoiding the question.

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    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    He can't answer that question honestly so might as well move on.
    speaking of honesty....you have some unanswered questions in the gay thread in the dome....

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    Originally Posted by jdmt37 View Post
    Does anybody else just want to twist 87's head off, or is it just me??
    adrienne thinks you're mentally unstable...
    i'd agree

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    adrienne thinks you're mentally unstable...
    i'd agree
    I don't think anybody questions that.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    speaking of honesty....you have some unanswered questions in the gay thread in the dome....
    I've told you a thousand time; no I'm not going to date you and yes, you should go to The Boom to discover your true self.
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    Are you saying that you are Jesus?

    Because that's either what you're saying or you're avoiding the question.
    do you think scripture has multiple true interpretations?
    what led you to believe matthew 10 proves Jesus is a dick?
    you may have a gentry family but they lied to you....

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    Almost had a school shooting in Oklahoma yesterday

    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    I've told you a thousand time; no I'm not going to date you and yes, you should go to The Boom to discover your true self.
    Yay, The Boom!!

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    so our soldiers are mentally unstable?
    do you think you are totally mentally stable after your training that teaches you to shut it out. 87 were you not in the military, I think there is a certain aspect of military training that helps to desensitize soldiers which can yes be consider a mental stability issue, personally many of them can make a disconnect when finished or in war zones and then some can't

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    do you think scripture has multiple true interpretations?
    what led you to believe matthew 10 proves Jesus is a dick?
    you may have a gentry family but they lied to you....
    Don't fall for it The. He answers questions with his questions while he waits for his pastor to call back and tell him what to think.
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    do you think you are totally mentally stable after your training that teaches you to shut it out. 87 were you not in the military, I think there is a certain aspect of military training that helps to desensitize soldiers which can yes be consider a mental stability issue, personally many of them can make a disconnect when finished or in war zones and then some can't
    now you've reasoned yourself into a corner and you have to move the goal posts....
    we're not talking about mental issues AFTER one kills.....
    no...military training doesn't "desensitize" soldiers to killing....it helps them JUSTIFY it....just like i would justify killing if someone kicked in my door right now and tried to harm me or my family.....
    people who kill are not all mentally unstable....

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    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    Don't fall for it The. He answers questions with his questions while he waits for his pastor to call back and tell him what to think.
    bahahaha

  44. #94
    Originally Posted by brokebacksooner View Post
    Don't fall for it The. He answers questions with his questions while he waits for his pastor to call back and tell him what to think.
    go make your boyfriend a sandwich and let him answer the question...

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    now you've reasoned yourself into a corner and you have to move the goal posts....
    we're not talking about mental issues AFTER one kills.....
    no...military training doesn't "desensitize" soldiers to killing....it helps them JUSTIFY it....just like i would justify killing if someone kicked in my door right now and tried to harm me or my family.....
    people who kill are not all mentally unstable....

    so you sit around an think about killing, most people do not most people are not pre wired to think about it but have instincts to not want to die, which is when the wiring comes loose buddy. We are like most creatures and not made to kill our own creatures unless there is fear or the wiring gets loose

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    so you sit around an think about killing, most people do not most people are not pre wired to think about it but have instincts to not want to die, which is when the wiring comes loose buddy. We are like most creatures and not made to kill our own creatures unless there is fear or the wiring gets loose
    survival instincts are the hardest of wiring....
    you're just trying to explain something you can't possible understand.....by saying "oh...they must be crazy"....
    by all accounts...this kid....and the aurora shooter ...were both extremely bright people....
    kinda like the.........what is the difference between them? or maybe they're similar....

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    Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    But how do you know that when man (a flawed and unpure being) interpreted and "wrote" the bible he did not **** it up
    i believe there were many things throughout history that God did not leave up to "chance"....or leave it up to man to screw up....
    i believe writing/interpreting the bible are examples

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    Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    so you sit around an think about killing, most people do not most people are not pre wired to think about it but have instincts to not want to die, which is when the wiring comes loose buddy. We are like most creatures and not made to kill our own creatures unless there is fear or the wiring gets loose


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    Periods are your friends.
    not adrienne.....she's been fixed

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    Originally Posted by The View Post
    Matthew 10:34-36.

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


    Yeah, that guy sounds like a dick.

    I'm sorry you seem to regret your life, but there are a growing number of us that don't need superstition and mythology to fill whatever psychological hole may exist in our lives. What you are experiencing with your religion is nothing more than a release of dopamine. That's all it is; a simple, common, everyday chemical reaction in your brain. So keep your condescending bullshit about your "faith" and "gospels". Grownups are talking about real issues in the real world. Go be a fan boy somewhere else. Using school shootings as an excuse to push your religion is sick.
    Pretty raged nerve ending there bud. Let's not confuse Gospel with religion and I'm not pushing anything just attempting to possibly explain what Mike was saying and later the idea that you might change your mind eventually.

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