Firefighters Killed as Arsonist Ambushed Them...

[87sooner]

Sounds about right to me. (It would be up to a jury to make that determination, though.)

WTF is your avatar, BTW?

prolly be up to the da first dont'cha think?

[OUMallen]

It is a magna pinna squid we encountered at our work site about 1.5 miles deep in the Gulf of Mexico last month.

Holy crap.

[ImTheDude]

The law loves you and wants to encourage you to be safe. Not to play Cop. Think of it this way: if you get in a yelling match on the street with someone and you shove him, but he trips accidentally and hits his head and you put him in a coma...are you liable, even though you didn't mean to do that? I believe so.

My brother got into this situation. Knocked a bouncer out in a bar parking lot, when he fell backwards he hit his head on the curb, messed him up really bad (some type of brain damage). He was charged with felony ****ault. After spending thousands on an attorney and eye witness/video showing the bouncer instigated it as my brother was trying to leave the bar, it was pled down to a misdemeanor simple ****ault (or something like that). He does have a mandatory "cooling down" period when he tries to buy a gun now.

[OUMallen]

My brother got into this situation. Knocked a bouncer out in a bar parking lot, when he fell backwards he hit his head on the curb, messed him up really bad (some type of brain damage). He was charged with felony ****ault. After spending thousands on an attorney and eye witness/video showing the bouncer instigated it as my brother was trying to leave the bar, it was pled down to a misdemeanor simple ****ault (or something like that). He does have a mandatory "cooling down" period when he tries to buy a gun now.

I'm glad you guys got it worked down to something a little more reasonable/manageable. Little purpose is served by responding to an accidental tragedy with an extreme punishment to someone in an unlucky situation.

[okie52]

I would take that as able to use force up until you feel deadly force would be necessary to prevent bodily harm or death....such as after beating the vehicle with the crowbar he starts striking the windshield and/or windows. I would feel he has intent to cause me or other persons great bodily harm.

I think you are correct...but I would still be hesitant given the chance it might go to a jury.

[okie52]

It is a magna pinna squid we encountered at our work site about 1.5 miles deep in the Gulf of Mexico last month.

I never knew what that was...pretty cool and at around 8,000' that's pretty amazing...think of the pressures there.

[OUMallen]

I never knew what that was...pretty cool and at around 8,000' that's pretty amazing...think of the pressures there.

That's what I was thinking. Sheesh.

[ImTheDude]

I'm glad you guys got it worked down to something a little more reasonable/manageable. Little purpose is served by responding to an accidental tragedy with an extreme punishment to someone in an unlucky situation.

Definitely a scary deal for in an all the way around bad situation. He of course didn't even want the misdemeanor, but in the grand scheme just take the slap on the wrist and be done with it.

[okie52]

Agreed. You put it much more succinctly than I did.

I doubt that but thanks anyway.

[KCRuf/Nek]

So this ****hole was paroled after serving 15 years for MANSLAUGHTER for killing his 92 year grandmother with a HAMMER and all we're hearing is what kind of gun he used. Who the **** let this freak out of jail?

[okie52]

So this ****hole was paroled after serving 15 years for MANSLAUGHTER for killing his 92 year grandmother with a HAMMER and all we're hearing is what kind of gun he used. Who the **** let this freak out of jail?

He had been rehabilitated.

[KCRuf/Nek]

He had been rehabilitated.

Well at least he got over the hammer issue.

[okie52]

Well at least he got over the hammer issue.

And that's what rehabbing is all about...getting you to move on.

[87sooner]

they also found human remains in the shooter's house.....believed to be his sister

[okie52]

they also found human remains in the shooter's house.....believed to be his sister

Not surprising since he hated his sister.

[SoonerArtillery]

[Dexa]

I'm PRETTY SURE that your vehicle is an extension of your home in the state of Oklahoma. If you're in your car during an attack, the law reads the same as if you're in your house.

So if I'm in the driver seat and my window is bashed in by a crowbar, using deadly force to end the attack is seen as reasonable.

No idea if there are past examples of people mugging others while unarmed met with deadly force, so I'm not sure how it would be seen.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[ImTheDude]

Here is Oklahoma's stand your ground law

http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...p?citeid=69782

[OUMallen]

I'm PRETTY SURE that your vehicle is an extension of your home in the state of Oklahoma. If you're in your car during an attack, the law reads the same as if you're in your house.

So if I'm in the driver seat and my window is bashed in by a crowbar, using deadly force to end the attack is seen as reasonable.

No idea if there are past examples of people mugging others while unarmed met with deadly force, so I'm not sure how it would be seen.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm sure it's happened at some point, probably every year, but I can't seem to remember any news stories like that...

[SoCaliSooner]

Depends on where you are, you have to follow the laws of the state you are in....not sure what Oklahoma's statutes state, but in Kansas you can protect that woman with deadly force....

Kansas.....always Kansas...

[SoonerArtillery]

Kansas.....always Kansas...

I'll kill a mutha ****a!

[87sooner]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/29...est=latestnews