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    Strategy 50 front vs A&M

    I guess thats the world making the rounds. 5 DL 2 LB 4 DBs I like it

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    I was hoping this would be the case. Rolled the 50 out a few yrs ago with some success...

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    Ndule, Walker, MacFarland, King, Washington
    ............... Wort, Nelson
    ........ Colvin, Harris, Jefferson, Hurst

    Phillps to rotate in for Walker, King and MacFarland

    Grissom, Tapper, Ohanaho (sp?) to rotate in for Ndule, Grissom

    Shannon, Byrd to rotate in for Wort, Nelson.

    Lynn, Wilson, Paulsen to rotate in for Colvin, Harris, Jefferson and Hurst.

    That sound right?
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    Originally Posted by oorah_okie View Post
    Ndule, Walker, MacFarland, King, Grissom
    ............... Wort, Nelson
    ........ Colvin, Harris, Jefferson, Hurst

    That sound right?
    I'd play Shannon instead of Wort but other than that yep
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    And who gives the front 5 a breather?

    Not happening.

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    Originally Posted by PacMan View Post
    I was hoping this would be the case. Rolled the 50 out a few yrs ago with some success...
    Yeah, it got OU thru the OSU, NU, UConn strecth in 2010. But when they tried to roll it over into 2011 (after teams got plenty of film on it), it busted.

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    if there was ever a time we needed wort to show up, it'd be at the cotton bowl.

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    Originally Posted by OkieThunderLion View Post
    And who gives the front 5 a breather?

    Not happening.

    Originally Posted by usaosooner View Post
    I'd play Shannon instead of Wort but other than that yep
    Edited the post to throw in subs.

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    Maybe as a change of pace, but they don't have the horses to run it as the base.
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    50 front vs A&M

    OU has 5 DLs? Must be converting some TEs.


    I also vote for deleting this thread so TeLePhOnO won't take this to the aTm coaches.
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    Last time we ran this we basically ran 4 defense ends and a nose guard and then some time replaced the NG with a DE and brought in 2 DT right?

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    probably play more DB's and biltz nelson off the edge ... always works on the video game.
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    2nd level is going to be most vulnerable against Manziel, we just go with 2 LB's were screwed.

    We won't get much more pressure rushing 5 as we would only rushing 4, even if we did Manziel will just take off and get around them. Give me another linebacker or two and delay blitz from all 3 or 4.

    aTm can run the ball and it isn't just Manziel. We can't possibly roll that same POS run defense out there that has been gashed all season and expect to contain aTm's running game and Manziel. If we had at least 2 all world LB's fine, but we don't.

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    50 front vs A&M

    Our base d is pretty sound, it's when they spread us out and we go dime is that we have primarily given up so much to the run. I would hope our coaches might try to do something a bit different in those situations but I'm not optimistic.
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    I like the 50 scheme, not sure we have the personnel necessary to run it successfully throughout the entire game... We'll shall see.

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    I sure hope they don't do something stupid like try to spy Manziel with Wort.
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    Originally Posted by mightysooner View Post
    I sure hope they don't do something stupid like try to spy Manziel with Wort.
    That would be the most unfair matchup in the history of sports.

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    I'm steadfast in my position that Wort take the 15 yarder and plant a helmet-to-helmet to JF and put him in the ER. My thoughts and prayers will go out to JF and his family.

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    Last edited by soonerintn; July 19th, 2013 at 10:36 PM.

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    Would like to see it mixed in some, but don't think we have the right personnel to make it a major part of the d. Of course if they do it and succeed I'll be happy to eat crow.

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    50 front vs A&M

    Originally Posted by OldSooner View Post
    Would like to see it mixed in some, but don't think we have the right personnel to make it a major part of the d. Of course if they do it and succeed I'll be happy to eat crow.
    This would be my concern as well, specifically we don't have the huge space eating NT.


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    Originally Posted by OldSooner View Post
    Would like to see it mixed in some, but don't think we have the right personnel to make it a major part of the d. Of course if they do it and succeed I'll be happy to eat crow.
    Right. When we ran the 50 defense we had more talent at DE.

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    Wish they'd wait to pull it out in the 2nd half (4th Q mainly). That's when our D tends to wilt.

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    Play a 3-3-5 like Bama did.

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    50 front vs A&M

    Originally Posted by AggieSports View Post
    Play a 3-3-5 like Bama did.
    Do we have 3 LB you want on the field at the same time?


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    Originally Posted by runningwithscissors View Post
    Our base d is pretty sound, it's when they spread us out and we go dime is that we have primarily given up so much to the run. I would hope our coaches might try to do something a bit different in those situations but I'm not optimistic.
    This! When they spread us out and motion the back out of the backfield we need to have an automatic adjustment to zone from man to man. So Wort/Shannon doesn't follow the back out and open the middle of the field for the QB draw over and over and over and over.
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    50 dbs on the field at the same time? Awesome!

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    Originally Posted by soonerintn View Post
    The 2 DE's on a 5-0 or 5-2 will be essentially OLB. Doesn't have to be DE only. I'm sure we will bring down a LB or DB to contain the outside to change things up.

    Basically bama plays a 3-4, but their OLB's are as big as our DEs. They were way to aggressive early. WHen they played more contain, they held Manzeil in check.
    Exactly what i was thinking. Bird needs to see the field this game, DE/OLB in a odd front would be perfect.

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    Originally Posted by xunil View Post
    Do we have 3 LB you want on the field at the same time?


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    Is Washington hurt?

    If not he will be one of the DEs

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    Is Washington hurt?

    If not he will be one of the DEs
    Oops. Thanks for the catch. Corrected post #3.

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    Originally Posted by xunil View Post
    Do we have 3 LB you want on the field at the same time?


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    Originally Posted by Dr Sleep View Post
    Shannon, Bird, Nelson
    That looks like a NO to me.

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    Originally Posted by OkieThunderLion View Post
    Yeah, it got OU thru the OSU, NU, UConn strecth in 2010. But when they tried to roll it over into 2011 (after teams got plenty of film on it), it busted.
    The 50 front totally blew the pukes mind in 2010. Martinez didn't do crap in the title game. Of course we had a couple of smart, fast LBs in Lewis and Box, who made many big plays down the stretch.

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    Originally Posted by Futbol7 View Post
    The 50 front totally blew the pukes mind in 2010. Martinez didn't do crap in the title game. Of course we had a couple of smart, fast LBs in Lewis and Box, who made many big plays down the stretch.
    I think Frank Shannon's up for the task.

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    Is Washington hurt?

    If not he will be one of the DEs
    Over Grissom? Unlikely given what we saw at the end of the season. Grissom passed RJ on the depth chart. They went to him in OT of Bedlam when King got hurt and he played down the stretch against TCU while RJ sat.

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    Originally Posted by eddyjizza View Post
    Over Grissom? Unlikely given what we saw at the end of the season. Grissom passed RJ on the depth chart. They went to him in OT of Bedlam when King got hurt and he played down the stretch against TCU while RJ sat.
    Washington best fits the role of the hybrid that would be needed in the 50. Possible that we could trust Grissom in coverage, but RJ is more proven in that regard.

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    Say what? How has RJ "proven" himself in coverage? He and Geneo are similiar body type, but Geneo is not a liability against the run, more assignment sound and stronger at the POA. There is a reason RJ has been relegated to a situational pass rusher and observer in recent weeks and it isn't because he is the secret weapon on the edge to help contain Manziel. Hell, contain is probably the worst aspect of his game. He will be a liability against A&M and I would say "outside of obvious passing situations," but RJ is probably the worst DE OU has when things breakdown and a QB starts improvising. Runs himself out of way too many plays.

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    Originally Posted by eddyjizza View Post
    Say what? How has RJ "proven" himself in coverage? He and Geneo are similiar body type, but Geneo is not a liability against the run, more assignment sound and stronger at the POA. There is a reason RJ has been relegated to a situational pass rusher and observer in recent weeks and it isn't because he is the secret weapon on the edge to help contain Manziel. Hell, contain is probably the worst aspect of his game. He will be a liability against A&M and I would say "outside of obvious passing situations," but RJ is probably the worst DE OU has when things breakdown and a QB starts improvising. Runs himself out of way too many plays.
    He looked pretty good at LB against the bong horns. Would you trust Geneo at LB...why or why not?

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    Yes, I would trust Geneo out there with a month to prepare. I honestly doubt they man an odd front with 5 DL and instead use a backer as the drop OLB, so the other OLB will be a contain/rush player. RJ sucks at contain and gets way too far inside often leaving huge cutback lanes. Hey, I hope he proves me wrong, but I won't be holding my breath.

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    50 front vs A&M

    Originally Posted by eddyjizza View Post
    Yes, I would trust Geneo out there with a month to prepare. I honestly doubt they man an odd front with 5 DL and instead use a backer as the drop OLB, so the other OLB will be a contain/rush player. RJ sucks at contain and gets way too far inside often leaving huge cutback lanes. Hey, I hope he proves me wrong, but I won't be holding my breath.
    EJ, good to see you posting over here?

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    Appreciate it, nole.

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    Originally Posted by mexican/ninja View Post
    DE-Jefferson
    DT-Shannon
    DT-Byrd
    DE-Nelson
    Floater-Colvin
    LB-Walker
    LB-King
    FS-Hurst
    DB-Stoops
    DB-Stoops
    SS-Roy Williams
    Is this official?

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    Floater...poor Colvin.

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    Originally Posted by mexican/ninja View Post
    DE-Jefferson
    DT-Shannon
    DT-Byrd
    DE-Nelson
    Floater-Mangino
    LB-Walker
    LB-King
    FS-Hurst
    DB-Stoops
    DB-Stoops
    SS-Roy Williams
    ftfy

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    Yeah why the **** not

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