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    Lack of forward thinking and introspection

    Bob and our staff are severely lacking in these areas(I would say Boren and Joe C, as well, but that is another topic).


    Forward thinking involves being able to determine 2nd and 3rd order consequences. This helps with game planning and adjustments.

    Simple thinkers: We are good at doing A. Let's do A on offense. The opponent gameplans for A. Stops it. We keep doing it and don't adjust because we a think we are good at it A and it is just a matter of execution. Think Leach and Long.

    More complex, yet simple thinker: They are good at doing X on defense, let's do B on offense. This is the "take what the defense gives approach". This worked for Louisville because Florida never did stop doing X on defense. They kept giving up B and didn't adjust.

    Complex forward thinker: They are good at X on defense, let's do B on offense. If they change to Y, let's try C. If they do Z, let's go back to A or try D. It's like a chess match. 2008 Muschamp vs Wilson. This is 2nd and 3rd order consequence thinking.

    Introspective thinker: We are good at A. If I were the opponent, how would I attack or stop A. If we do B, how would I stop B if I were the opponent. We are weak at C. How would I attack C if I were the opponent? Then you put in contingency plans if the opponents do such things.

    You often hear a coach say, "We didn't have an answer for X".

    Is it because you tried A, B, C and D and had some introspective contingencies that just didn't work? If so, that is forgivable and understandable for a coach.

    Is it because you didn't have the talent despite having good plan A, B, C and contingencies? If so, that is understandable and forgivable as a coach.

    Or is it because you are a simple thinking coaching staff and just didn't have an answer? That is unforgivable. It is my fear that this is where our staff is. We may have the "more complex, yet simple thinker" kind of coaches. Something needs to change.

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    Lack of forward thinking and introspection

    The first paragraph that you describe as Leach or Long really describes everybody for a long time now. They have their system and they stick to it.

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    Wilson has been the only one we have had on the staff for a while that has been a forward thinker. His problem was to overthink things. People have complained about him, but I can forgive and understand him. He gave the effort.

    Venables and Mike the second time around are simple thinkers. Bob has been a simple thinker for a while. They believe if you have a system, better talent and execute it, you will win. That may work against the Iowa States of college football, but it doesn't work against teams with similar talent and forward thinking coaches.

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    Lack of forward thinking and introspection

    Wilson was guilty of trying the same thing over and over himself. But at least he added new wrinkles to his offense between every season. Now we're still running the 2010 offense and we'll probably continue running it next season too.

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    are we talkin bout football or rocket science?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    are we talkin bout football or rocket science?
    I'm trying to apply psychology and logic to football and coaching. Probably isn't a logical thing for me to do because most either won't understand it, won't read it or just won't care. They just know we suck.

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