Staff effort in recruiting

[OU48A]

Maybe he knows that no amount of yelling at players who know how to execute better but don't or don't care won't do anything...? When a player(s) continually screw up sometimes you just "give up."

Rumors say that our players are very berated by their strengthand conditioning coach.
This could have something to do with player attitudes, performanceand our recruiting?

[greensooner]

Rumors say that our players are very berated by their strengthand conditioning coach.
This could have something to do with player attitudes, performanceand our recruiting?

I've heard that quite a few times but we also have a ton of former players that come back to work with Schmitty just to get ready for training camp and they swear by him so I don't know which way the truth really lies, likely somewhere in the middle

[Camel at Sea]

I've heard that quite a few times but we also have a ton of former players that come back to work with Schmitty just to get ready for training camp and they swear by him so I don't know which way the truth really lies, likely somewhere in the middle

It could be that we just need to start looking for more guys that can take coaching from our staff. Add "thick skinned" to our recruiting evaluation process. Bob and Mike are from Youngstown and they coach guys hard. Schmitty isn't a teddy bear, either. Elite talent that can't be yelled at won't work out here.

[gosooner2]

Maybe he knows that no amount of yelling at players who know how to execute better but don't or don't care won't do anything...? When a player(s) continually screw up sometimes you just "give up."

Or his players do not give a **** for him or his so called schemes which do not work, and put them in situations where they cannot excel.

[OU48A]

I've heard that quite a few times but we also have a ton of former players that come back to work with Schmitty just to get ready for training camp and they swear by him so I don't know which way the truth really lies, likely somewhere in the middle

I hear both too.
But we also hear that his methods are turning off recruits….
Even if it’s only a few, JS is a liability to us. For this reason alone it’s time to make a change.
But also look at our high OL attrition and injury rates and their lack of push in the running game….
These issues could have something to do with our conditioning methods?

[Mr. Pink]

Or his players do not give a **** for him or his so called schemes which do not work, and put them in situations where they cannot excel.

YES!!! GOLD, I TELL YOU. GOLD!

[Stoops'Visor]

I would rather have a 3* who doesn't expect to be coddled, than a 4* who thinks things should come easy. Dusty and Teddy were just talking about how rule changes have affected the way Schimtty does things. They say it's no where near as difficult as it was in the past.

[DirtySouth_Sooner]

I would rather have a 3* who doesn't expect to be coddled, than a 4* who thinks things should come easy. Dusty and Teddy were just talking about how rule changes have affected the way Schimtty does things. They say it's no where near as difficult as it was in the past.

that's a tough one for me ... in my position, i hire the talent and hope that my leadership and the culture of the company can mold that talent. these are young hs men that are being recruited ... Top coaches SHOULD be able to "correct" the selfish attitudes.

[greensooner]

I hear both too.
But we also hear that his methods are turning off recruits….
Even if it’s only a few, JS is a liability to us. For this reason alone it’s time to make a change.
But also look at our high OL attrition and injury rates and their lack of push in the running game….
These issues could have something to do with our conditioning methods?

the OL attrition is worrisome and has been a problem for several years, I absolutely hate the fact that we can count on injuries and people to leave the program every season before it starts...we haven't had legit OL depth throughout the year in a while now

I agree that's an issue, I'd like to know more about what goes on during conditioning. I know Bob likes what he sees apparently, whether that's a good thing is clearly debatable

[OU48A]

the OL attrition is worrisome and has been a problem for several years, I absolutely hate the fact that we can count on injuries and people to leave the program every season before it starts...we haven't had legit OL depth throughout the year in a while now

I agree that's an issue, I'd like to know more about what goes on during conditioning. I know Bob likes what he sees apparently, whether that's a good thing is clearly debatable

I have a gut feeling that part of the problem might be that Boren is so concerned about OU’s image that he has the compliance office breathing down the necks of the football staff and because of that they don’t push the players to excel like they once did. Everything is done by the book and this kills some of the desire of our coaches.
This^ is just a guess on my part?

[greensooner]

I have a gut feeling that part of the problem might be that Boren is so concerned about OU’s image that he has the compliance office breathing down the necks of the football staff and because of that they don’t push the players to excel like they once did. Everything is done by the book and this kills some of the desire of our coaches.
This^ is just a guess on my part?

reasonable ****umption, I can see that being a likely possibility...if that's the case then we are in much deeper trouble than I thought/hoped

I wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes in Norman...something is clearly going on

[usaosooner]

Anyone know if the rumors regarding several members of the staff not caring to put much effort into recruiting are true? I've heard this several times, especially around Shipp and BJW.

I think we've addressed that this week

[38Special]

I don't get the criticism of Bob for hiring his "cronies". That's what coaches do. Bob did it when he took the job in 99.
1. Mike Stoops- brother
2. Mark Mangino- coworker at KSU
3. Brent Venables- Player and coach at KSU
4. Jonathan Hayes- teammate at Iowa
5. Steve Spurrier Jr- coached with at Florida

Gundy and Shipp were hired because of the OU connection. BJW for his Texas recruiting ties, and Mike Leach because of the offense Bob wanted to run.

It's what coaches do.

[sportsproducer]

I don't get the criticism of Bob for hiring his "cronies". That's what coaches do. Bob did it when he took the job in 99.
1. Mike Stoops- brother
2. Mark Mangino- coworker at KSU
3. Brent Venables- Player and coach at KSU
4. Jonathan Hayes- teammate at Iowa
5. Steve Spurrier Jr- coached with at Florida

Gundy and Shipp were hired because of the OU connection. BJW for his Texas recruiting ties, and Mike Leach because of the offense Bob wanted to run.

It's what coaches do.

Exactly. Jimmy Johnson took virtually his whole staff from OSU to Miami and then Dallas to win two MNC's and two Super Bowls!

[Irish_Sooner]

I don't get the criticism of Bob for hiring his "cronies". That's what coaches do. Bob did it when he took the job in 99.
1. Mike Stoops- brother
2. Mark Mangino- coworker at KSU
3. Brent Venables- Player and coach at KSU
4. Jonathan Hayes- teammate at Iowa
5. Steve Spurrier Jr- coached with at Florida

Gundy and Shipp were hired because of the OU connection. BJW for his Texas recruiting ties, and Mike Leach because of the offense Bob wanted to run.

It's what coaches do.

Wish you would post more often. You have always had good insight+info.

(****uming this is the same 38 from long ago )

[stlOU]

I thought this quote in the article in today's DOK was interesting

These guys are incredibly active,” McCuistion said of Bedenbaugh and Montgomery. “I've had more to do in the last week of following Bedenbaugh than I had in months following (James) Patton and (Bruce) Kittle.”

http://newsok.com/ous-new-hires-brin...rticle/3758813

[TheLadiesMike]

I don't get the criticism of Bob for hiring his "cronies". That's what coaches do. Bob did it when he took the job in 99.
1. Mike Stoops- brother
2. Mark Mangino- coworker at KSU
3. Brent Venables- Player and coach at KSU
4. Jonathan Hayes- teammate at Iowa
5. Steve Spurrier Jr- coached with at Florida

Gundy and Shipp were hired because of the OU connection. BJW for his Texas recruiting ties, and Mike Leach because of the offense Bob wanted to run.

It's what coaches do.

Do you see the difference between those guys and Kittle?

[sooner518]

I thought this quote in the article in today's DOK

These guys are incredibly active,” McCuistion said of Bedenbaugh and Montgomery. “I've had more to do in the last week of following Bedenbaugh than I had in months following (James) Patton and (Bruce) Kittle.”

http://newsok.com/ous-new-hires-brin...rticle/3758813

just wow.

[TheBoots]

Back when I had a real job, it amazed me what people would ****ume when they did not see me.

I would get promotions and raises left and right because the people who controlled such things had sent me various places. I was busting my hump and spending quite a bit of time on the road. But the mouth breathers ( you know who you are) glued to their cubicle were freaking convnced that the minute I left, I was out **** off. Likely because that it what they would have done.

I see college recruiters at every high school game I attend in Texas. Every one! For once, I would like to see Oklahoma release its travel iteneraies from say 3 or 4 years ago to not divulge secrets, and maybe it would shut people up about crap they know nothing about.

[38Special]

Wish you would post more often. You have always had good insight+info.

(****uming this is the same 38 from long ago )

I've been around forever. Job isn't conducive to doing much posting recently. I've evolved into an evil lurker.