Does it pay to work anymore?

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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    No I am NOT wrong. He had statistically full employment. It was in the 4 percent range in the early 2000s. Why would I make this up?

    fvckin it live with Tapatalk dos
    Maybe becuase you are delusional. Maybe because you are an ****. Maybe because your a delusional ****.

    Better question is why should anyone take you seriously?

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    Why do people insist on feeding trolls?

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    Re: Does it pay to work anymore?

    As usual, non of the dems came with anything. Just name calling. Predictable

    fvckin it live via tapatalk dos

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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    As usual, non of the dems came with anything. Just name calling. Predictable

    fvckin it live via tapatalk dos
    Ironic much? You are the king of name calling and you say much harsher shit than anything else in this thread

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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    No I am NOT wrong. He had statistically full employment. It was in the 4 percent range in the early 2000s. Why would I make this up?

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    You said 4%. It was in the 4.5 range in 07. Don't generalize.

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    The trick is to work at something you like.

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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    Most democrats are on welfare. Most republicans are not.
    Do you really believe this stuff, gun to your head?

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    I sure to hell hope so. Otherwise I'm fighting this damn traffic for nothing.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    Do you really believe this stuff, gun to your head?
    he believes whatever fits his argument, that's all he cares about

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    pbs....are you bbs' boyfriend?
    or girlfriend....

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    This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    pbs....are you bbs' boyfriend?
    or girlfriend....
    Dude chill; I'm not leading you out of the closet.
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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    I work my ass off at I wonder if it is even worth it. As last November showed us all, there are countless millions in this country sucking off of the rest of us. I paid $200 for a phone, Obama gives dems one for free. I work hard to put food on the table, he gives dems food stamps. Those of us trying to work hard seem to be having to play by a different set of rules. What gives?
    91% of people on welfare have a job.

    You're just an idiot. Have a nice day.

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    91% of people on welfare have a job.

    You're just an idiot. Have a nice day.
    They do? That's news to me...got a link?

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    Does it pay to work anymore?

    Whaaaat?? Don't you know that asking someone to back up their facts is frowned upon in this establishment?
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    Originally Posted by McRib View Post
    Whaaaat?? Don't you know that asking someone to back up their facts is frowned upon in this establishment?
    A serious breach of protocol on my part.
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    Last edited by okie52; January 8th, 2013 at 11:50 PM.

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    Originally Posted by McRib View Post
    Overgeneralizer.
    Republican*

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    Originally Posted by oudavid1 View Post
    Republican*
    , you're on a ban...GTFOOH

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    Originally Posted by greensooner View Post
    , you're on a ban...GTFOOH
    Im supposed to be. But these f***ers dont pay attention.

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    Im supposed to be. But these f***ers dont pay attention.
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    Re: Does it pay to work anymore?

    Did you get on welfare yet

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    Re: Does it pay to work anymore?

    Originally Posted by Aurora View Post
    Did you get on welfare yet
    No I don't need it. I'm an accountant and Obama raising taxes on the middle class is good for my business

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    Originally Posted by Palmbeachsooner View Post
    No I don't need it. I'm an accountant and Obama raising taxes on the middle class is good for my business
    Well I hope you can make as much as those on welfare

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    Define "pay" and "work".

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    Not working sucks way more. And stealing from other people(any welfare) should be illegal. So you get my views there pretty easily.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    They do? That's news to me...got a link?
    Sorry, didn't see you asked

    Latest data analyzed say 91% of welfare goes to elderly, disabled or working households. Not exactly mooches

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677#_ftn2

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Sorry, didn't see you asked

    Latest data analyzed say 91% of welfare goes to elderly, disabled or working households. Not exactly mooches

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677#_ftn2
    the other 9% goes to farmers.....

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Sorry, didn't see you asked

    Latest data analyzed say 91% of welfare goes to elderly, disabled or working households. Not exactly mooches

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677#_ftn2
    What are they defining as welfare? Additionally, disability is expanding to include things it shouldn't.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    What are they defining as welfare? Additionally, disability is expanding to include things it shouldn't.
    Quit dancing around it. This isn't a mooch society like most extreme conservatives believe. Are we moving the wrong direction? I think so. But to state it isn't worth it to work anymore and everyone gets a free meal is absurd.

    Baby boomer SS is expensive.

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Quit dancing around it. This isn't a mooch society like most extreme conservatives believe. Are we moving the wrong direction? I think so. But to state it isn't worth it to work anymore and everyone gets a free meal is absurd.

    Baby boomer SS is expensive.
    Not saying PBS isn't being goofy, but to ignore that we are living in a dependent society is naive.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    Not saying PBS isn't being goofy, but to ignore that we are living in a dependent society is naive.
    I just posted hard numbers that crushes that myth. Are you so firm in your bias that no amount of proof will change your view?

    9% of entitlement spending goes to the unemployed. 9%.

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    If you mean dependent upon consumption....I agree.

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    I just posted hard numbers showing that crushes that myth. Are you so firm in your bias that no amount of proof will change your view?

    9% of entitlement spending goes to the unemployed. 9%.
    It's not a myth. Simply because people that are working are taking food stamps doesn't mean we aren't dependent. People are more spoiled and entitled than at any time in our history. To make my point though, we'd have to do research that would piss people off. How many people receiving aid have cable? Cell phones? Internet? Car payments? Designer or first hand clothes? What kind of food is in their home? The mentality is more subtle than the study you cite accounts for. If we remove those things that 15 years ago would have been considered luxuries, would they still 'need' assistance?

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    If you mean dependent upon consumption....I agree.
    No. I mean dependent on others to maintain a lifestyle that wouldn't be affordable otherwise.

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    Does it pay to work anymore?

    Show me numbers and I'll believe you. Until then, making general claims regarding our society will not sway me.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    No. I mean dependent on others to maintain a lifestyle that wouldn't be affordable otherwise.
    We all are in some way.

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Show me numbers and I'll believe you. Until then, making general claims regarding our society will not sway me.
    My claims aren't general, they are based on 15 years of working with the population we are talking about. I understand your hesitance though, but numbers really can say whatever we want them to.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    My claims aren't general, they are based on 15 years of working with the population we are talking about. I understand your hesitance though, but numbers really can say whatever we want them to.
    Well, do you have access to any numbers that refute his?

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    We all are in some way.
    Certainly. Taking the fruits of others' labor to enhance our QOL though should be done far more sparingly.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    Certainly. Taking the fruits of others' labor to enhance our QOL though should be done far more sparingly.
    I disagree...it is how our economy currently functions.

    If you are for equal compensation for all labor, we can talk...

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    Does it pay to work anymore?

    When true welfare spending is such a tiny percentage of the entitlement budget, I find it petty to get so upset about. What we should be up in arms about is the fact that we didn't prepare well for the baby boomer SS influx and increasing a Medicare program that we had no way of paying for. Spending a few billion on the poor every year is chump change

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    I disagree...it is how our economy currently functions.

    If you are for equal compensation for all labor, we can talk...
    High unemployment and low growth aren't functioning. We are reaching a point where it's going to collapse if we don't change what we are doing.

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    I disagree...it is how our economy currently functions.

    If you are for equal compensation for all labor, we can talk...
    Skilled paid the same as unskilled?

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    Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    When true welfare spending is such a tiny percentage of the entitlement budget, I find it petty to get so upset about. What we should be up in arms about is the fact that we didn't prepare well for the baby boomer SS influx and increasing a Medicare program that we had no way of paying for. Spending a few billion on the poor every year is chump change
    I'm with you on SS, Medicare, etc. I've even outlined plans on here to arrest the expansion. Sadly, nobody really wants to tackle entitlements of any kind--instead we want to expand them. Look at the last election cycle. People wanted to expand entitlements to birth control. When it was opposed those opposing were vilified for hating women.

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    Skilled paid the same as unskilled?
    I think he's talking about price controls. FDR showed us the error of that.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    I'm with you on SS, Medicare, etc. I've even outlined plans on here to arrest the expansion. Sadly, nobody really wants to tackle entitlements of any kind--instead we want to expand them. Look at the last election cycle. People wanted to expand entitlements to birth control. When it was opposed those opposing were vilified for hating women.
    I agree with most of this, which is why I scratch my head when people point and scream at the food stamp crowd. They aren't the ones sucking the life out of the economy.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Skilled paid the same as unskilled?
    That depends upon the amount of labor involved becoming skilled, I guess. Not he way I would approach it if moving to that system from corporate capitalism, though.

    Would be how I would do it if we are talking from a clean slate.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    I think he's talking about price controls. FDR showed us the error of that.
    Ahh...I'm late to the party.

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    That depends upon the amount of labor involved becoming skilled, I guess. Not he way I would approach it if moving to that system from corporate capitalism, though.

    Would be how I would do it if we are talking from a clean slate.
    Little incentive for one to become skilled if it all paid the same (all other factors being equal).

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