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    South Carolina teacher suspended for stomping on an American flag

    By Stephen C. Webster
    Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:23 EST

    A teacher in Chapin, South Carolina was suspended this week after students said that during a lesson about symbols, he took an American flag and put it on the floor, then stomped on it.

    Students said they weren’t sure what the point of the demonstration was, according to WISTV 10 in South Carolina.

    Honors English teacher Scott Compton, at Chapin High School, was reportedly trying to illustrate that students had the freedom to deface symbols without consequence. Unfortunately for him, that assumption was wrong.


    “Our superintendent served in the military, I served in the military for 20 years, our flag is a symbol of our freedom, and so many people have fought and died for that liberty, and so we take this action very seriously,” a spokesperson for the school told WISTV 10.

    The district did not name the teacher, but said a permanent replacement would be brought in soon. Compton is currently suspended, but district officials are expected to consider termination at a meeting next week.

    “The actions that occurred are unprofessional and not consistent with the standards of our district,” a spokesperson told The News & Observer.


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    Cue the union, the ACLU, and whoever else to get this pos his job back.

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    he was trying to demonstrate our freedom......but it turns out he actually demonstrated our lack of freedom.....
    maybe he should have just taken his class on a field trip to the airport instead......and he'd still have his job...
    i served in the military.....i hope he gets to keep his job...
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    Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    Cue the union, the ACLU, and whoever else to get this pos his job back.
    I hope they do. It's the First ****ing Amendment.
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    Here is his on-line rating. Check out the difference between the comments that were posted prior to yesterday vs. the new ones.

    http://www.ratemyteachers.com/scott-compton/1811617-t

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    He should not have been suspended, You may not like it but many folks have fought and died to make sure people have the right to be douche bags... I am very thankful for those who served. However seems like everyday more and more that service was in vain.
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    Sounds like he wants to grow up to be Bill Ayers.

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    Its legal for the teacher/anyone to desecrate/destroy a flag on his own time and off school grounds. Should the state of South Carolina be forced to employ a teacher that stomps on a flag during a class on ENGLISH? Does the school/state have any control over conduct during school hours on school property regardless if it is legal off duty/off premises?

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    I hope they do. It's the First ****ing Amendment.
    Does the school district have the right to hire/fire based on their standards of professionalism?
    The First ****ing Amendment prevents the government from punishing speech, not an employer.
    Seems like it would be cut and dry that the employer is in the right if it were a private school, but does it change things if it is a public school?

    It is ironic because the teacher didn't understand the First Amendment... the First Amendment protects you from consequences from the government, not from employers, customers, or society at large.
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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    Does the school district have the right to hire/fire based on their standards of professionalism?
    The First ****ing Amendment prevents the government from punishing speech, not an employer.
    Seems like it would be cut and dry that the employer is in the right if it were a private school, but does it change things if it is a public school?

    It is ironic because the teacher didn't understand the First Amendment... the First Amendment protects you from consequences from the government, not from employers, customers, or society at large.
    that is your assumption...

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    I hope they do. It's the First ****ing Amendment.
    The constitution? Can't we just bypass that kinka like what this administration is planning for the 2nd Amendment.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    that is your assumption...
    How so?

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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    How so?

    nothing in the article indicates the teacher didn't understand the first amendment....

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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    Does the school district have the right to hire/fire based on their standards of professionalism?
    The First ****ing Amendment prevents the government from punishing speech, not an employer.
    Seems like it would be cut and dry that the employer is in the right if it were a private school, but does it change things if it is a public school?

    It is ironic because the teacher didn't understand the First Amendment... the First Amendment protects you from consequences from the government, not from employers, customers, or society at large.
    They can do what they want to do, largely, but to punish and fire someone for an expression covered by the First Amendment is just as distasteful, if not more, than his actual expression (also distasteful).

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    They can do what they want to do, largely, but to punish and fire someone for an expression covered by the First Amendment is just as distasteful, if not more, than his actual expression (also distasteful).

    not only that.....
    he was teaching a lesson...
    he was not out in front of the school protesting..
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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    They can do what they want to do, largely, but to punish and fire someone for an expression covered by the First Amendment is just as distasteful, if not more, than his actual expression (also distasteful).
    I dont see how this has anything to do with the First Amendment, other than his apparent misunderstanding of it, the more we talk about it. He wasn't arrested, imprisoned, censured, or otherwise addressed by the government. So on what grounds would the ACLU get him his job back?

    What if he were a Westboro sympathizer and he wrote "God hatez z" on his blackboard and was fired for it? Would that change your opinion?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    nothing in the article indicates the teacher didn't understand the first amendment....
    He thought there were no consequences for defacing symbols. Where would that come from other than a general nebulous idea of "Free Speech"?

    Here... let me rephrase.. Its ironic because he got fired for defacing a symbol while teaching his students that there are no consequences for defacing symbols. That better?

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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    He thought there were no consequences for defacing symbols. Where would that come from other than a general nebulous idea of "Free Speech"?
    another assumption on your part...

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    another assumption on your part...
    It is an assumption to think that the guy teaching his students that there are no consequences to defacing symbols thinks that there are no consequences to defacing symbols?

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    They can do what they want to do, largely, but to punish and fire someone for an expression covered by the First Amendment is just as distasteful, if not more, than his actual expression (also distasteful).
    So if the teacher is cussing throughout his classes the school has to accept it?

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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    It is an assumption to think that the guy teaching his students that there are no consequences to defacing symbols thinks that there are no consequences to defacing symbols?
    if you're going to assume what the teacher thinks and understands....i can also assume the writer of the article possibly did not get all the facts straight about the lesson compton was trying to teach...
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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    if you're going to assume what the teacher thinks and understands....i can also assume the writer of the article possibly did not get all the facts straight about the lesson compton was trying to teach...
    You are assuming that I am assuming. You have no idea what information I am privy to about what the teacher thinks and understands. How do you know that I am not in fact the teacher himself?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    if you're going to assume what the teacher thinks and understands....i can also assume the writer of the article possibly did not get all the facts straight about the lesson compton was trying to teach...
    You could assume that about any article. Being fired seems to agree with the gist of the article.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    he was trying to demonstrate our freedom
    Assumption on your part.


    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    maybe he should have just taken his class on a field trip to the airport instead......and he'd still have his job..
    Assumption on your part.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    that is your assumption...
    Assumption on your part.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    You could assume that about any article. Being fired seems to agree with the gist of the article.
    he was fired because he has a dumbazz boss....
    it has nothing to do with what the teacher knows about the constitution or what he understands or what he thinks...

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    Originally Posted by Sancho View Post
    Assumption on your part.
    you're a dumbazz ...and that is no assumption....
    you're out of ideas....just admit you were wrong to assume

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    he was fired because he has a dumbazz boss....
    Assumption, conjecture, baseless opinion.

    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    it has nothing to do with what the teacher knows about the constitution or what he understands or what he thinks...

    Assumption.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    you're a dumbazz ...and that is no assumption....
    you're out of ideas....just admit you were wrong to assume
    Were you wrong to assume?

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    he was fired because he has a dumbazz boss....
    it has nothing to do with what the teacher knows about the constitution or what he understands or what he thinks...
    The smart boss would allow such conduct during a school course by a state employee? So the teacher uses **** in every sentence and he is protected by the 1st amendment as an employee?

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    So if the teacher is cussing throughout his classes the school has to accept it?
    Dipshit, did I not say, "They can do what they want to, largely,"?


    But to answer you since you can't make the distinction: one is vulgarity, one is a non-vulgar political expression.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    Dipshit, did I not say, "They can do what they want to, largely,"?


    But to answer you since you can't make the distinction: one is vulgarity, one is a non-vulgar political expression.

    Interesting since the entire situation started with a lesson on symbols. The word "****" is just as much a symbol as a flag or the action of stomping on a flag. Whether or not they are vulgar is in the eye of the beholder. The word "vulgar" itself being just a symbol for a feeling evoked from exposure to other acts or symbols.

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    Dipshit, did I not say, "They can do what they want to, largely,"?


    But to answer you since you can't make the distinction: one is vulgarity, one is a non-vulgar political expression.
    Now to the name calling, counselor? So the "largely" covered your ass. Are they both not covered by the 1st amendment?

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    From another board and another counselor:

    Garcetti v. Ceballos:

    . . . When public employees make statements pursuant to their official duties, the employees are not speaking as citizens for First Amendment purposes, and the Constitution does not insulate their communications from employer discipline.
    This counselor seemed to think he would be shitcanned....not to impugn any other distinguished counselor's position on this board.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    The smart boss would allow such conduct during a school course by a state employee?
    yes....

    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    So the teacher uses **** in every sentence and he is protected by the 1st amendment as an employee?
    no

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    yes....



    no
    1st amendment there 87...got to take the good with the bad.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Now to the name calling, counselor? So the "largely" covered your ass. Are they both not covered by the 1st amendment?
    It's not as simple as "are they covered by the First Amendment?" You're talking about the restriction of free speech of a teacher in a public school by the public school administration in regard to vulgarity in front of children and in regard to political statements. The content matters. It's a complicated issue. What if a teacher were fired for telling a class there should be a minority student group? What if the teacher calls a student a ****? What if the teacher teaches a lesson-plan that the principal expressly forbade him to teach and is fired?

    It's complicated. The First Amendment is not a binary lightswitch in its analysis.

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    1st amendment there 87...got to take the good with the bad.
    no comprende

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    Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    It's not as simple as "are they covered by the First Amendment?" You're talking about the restriction of free speech of a teacher in a public school by the public school administration in regard to vulgarity in front of children and in regard to political statements. The content matters. It's a complicated issue. What if a teacher were fired for telling a class there should be a minority student group? What if the teacher calls a student a ****? What if the teacher teaches a lesson-plan that the principal expressly forbade him to teach and is fired?

    It's complicated. The First Amendment is not a binary lightswitch in its analysis.
    This teacher could have merely told his class that "he could legally stomp on the flag" and I doubt any action would have been taken against him even though the subject had little to with his English class. Many would feel the actual stomping or burning of the flag would be a "vulgarity". Employees have codes of conduct whether they are state or private.

    I would be interested in seeing the consequences of an employee of say Chesapeake or Devon being televised burning a flag on the workplace during working hours.

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    Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    no comprende
    Can't help you then.

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    Originally Posted by heff View Post
    Somebody's indoctrinated little snowflake complained to redneck daddy and now this guy is on the chopping block.
    Yeah, the nerve of those students not keeping it a secret.

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    A little more in depth article:

    A South Carolina teacher has been suspended after he allegedly threw the American flag on the ground and stomped on it in front of his honors English class. He reportedly told students the flag was “only a piece of cloth” and didn’t “mean anything.”

    At least one parent calls the actions of the Chapin High School English teacher disrespectful and unpatriotic, WIS-TV reports. Officials at Chapin High School, located in Chapin, S.C. hope to have a permanent replacement for the teacher for the remainder of the year while an investigation is carried out.

    One parent, Michael Copleand, says he heard his teenager talking about what her English teacher did with the American flag in the classroom and pressed to get the whole story.

    “He drew a couple of symbols, like one of them was a cross, and he said, ‘What does this represent,’ and everybody said, ‘Christianity,’” Copeland told WIS-TV.

    “Then he proceeds to take down the American flag, and said, ‘This is a symbol, but it’s only a piece of cloth. It doesn’t mean anything,’ and then he throws it down on the floor and then stomps on it, repeatedly,” he added. “I asked what was he trying to get, the point across? And she said, ‘I don’t know,’ and he said, his explanation was there would be no consequences, it’s just a piece of cloth that doesn’t mean anything.”

    But there were consequences.


    Mark Bounds, A spokesman for the Lexington-Richland 5 school district, a military veteran, was unhappy with the teacher’s disrespectful display.

    “Our superintendent served in the military, I served in the military for 20 years, our flag is a symbol of our freedom, and so many people have fought and died for that liberty, and so we take this action very seriously,” he said.

    He continued: “There is a code of ethics for teachers that talks about professional conduct, and then we tell our teachers that their personal opinion is their personal opinion and shouldn’t be brought into the classroom, and so we caution them all the time,” said Bounds.

    The lesson on the flag was repeated in three classes that day. School officials have reportedly launched a full investigation into the incident.

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    I have never seen the word assumption used so liberally.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    A little more in depth article:
    Looks like my assumption was correct.

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    It's called at-will employment folks. And in this free society, you have to take the good with the bad, regardless of how you feel about it.

    Even if he were re-instated, his actions have undermined his authority with both students, parents, and faculty. He'd be unlikely to be an effective teacher at that school, which will be part of their decision to terminate him if they do so.

    I don't see an issue with his termination regardless of your feelings about flags/political statements.

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    Originally Posted by SoonerAmongThePack View Post
    It's called at-will employment folks. And in this free society, you have to take the good with the bad, regardless of how you feel about it.

    Even if he were re-instated, his actions have undermined his authority with both students, parents, and faculty. He'd be unlikely to be an effective teacher at that school, which will be part of their decision to terminate him if they do so.

    I don't see an issue with his termination regardless of your feelings about flags/political statements.
    Except that the school has effectively said "teach something controversial and get the boot." Kind of a shitty approach to critical thinking really.

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    Originally Posted by Dexa View Post
    Except that the school has effectively said "teach something controversial and get the boot." Kind of a shitty approach to critical thinking really.

    He wasnt fired for what he was teaching. And frankly, there is sometimes a fine line between teaching something controversial and teaching the antithesis of the curriculum.

    For instance, there is nothing scientifically controversially about the theory of evolution through natural selection and it is a legitimate and expected piece of all life science classes. So I would have a big problem if my kid's teacher started teaching them some crackpot creation "science" instead. That would cause a controversy and I would want them fired.

    This teacher wasn't teaching something that was "controversial" he was teaching something that was factually incorrect. Turns out there ARE consequences to defacing symbols.
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    Originally Posted by Dexa View Post
    Except that the school has effectively said "teach something controversial and get the boot." Kind of a shitty approach to critical thinking really.
    That's a valid point, but as his employer, it's their choice. It would appear his actions were mostly harmless, but that can be said about lots of folks who are terminated because of equally frivolous issues left up to interpretation.

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    What if he took an assault rifle with 30 round rapid fire capability into the class room and discussed our 2nd amendment rights?
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