"Students said they weren’t sure what the point of the demonstration was, according to WISTV 10 in South Carolina."
erm.. my book report was on fahrenheit 451.. this was a good book... it's about how hot it is at 451 degrees, fahrenheit of course (smug ass look)
edit: And I'm not going to say I know what his actual lesson was, but depending on what it was.. that's exactly what it would teach.
I'm not saying the guy is a genius or anything. Clearly a bit of a dipshit. But I love America, and in America, the government isn't supposed to punish you for political statements. (That's an oversimplification of actual case law, but you know what I mean.)
B. He wasnt punished by the government.
Not a First Amendment issue, and not even newsworthy when you really think about it.
The school isnt the government and he was fired for being unprofessional. Again, back to my earlier question that you ignored. Would you support the school's right to fire him if he wrote "God hates s" on his blackboard?
he used a dramatic approach to teaching a lesson that pissed off his superintendent......and it cost him his job....
the superintendent will prolly now hire someone that teaches boring lessons from the book that put students to sleep.......my hero...
He hasn't been fired yet. Just suspended.
if i did.....it was miscommunication on my part...
i don't think he should have been suspended......but the superintendent/school board can do what they want....
And the school IS the government. A teacher's First Amendment rights to free speech are protected from the school's actions in some cases.
Why do you think the First Amendment vis-a-vis freedom of religion is such a big deal in schools? Because public schools are a venue in which the First Amendment may be invoked. Religion or speech, either one.
And I didn't ignore your question, I already answered it: that's vulgarity. Vulgarity (at least vulgarity without any redeeming quality, like being classic art or something similar) isn't going to be tolerated at all. That type of speech wouldn't be considered protected.
1. School could fire you for using your paid time on the job to go make political stunts/statements.
2. Lighting fires on school property without permission would be a problem.
3. The disruption of the school probably would outweigh the guy's right to burn a flag and that expression likely wouldn't be protected.
The more intriguing question is: what if he got fired for burning a flag in his front yard on the weekend?
Vulgarity is certainly in the eye of the beholder. Stomping on the flag vs saying **** America would both be saying the same thing to me.
You obviously believe that this teacher's 1st amendment rights supersede the school's authority to punish his conduct in this case. I don't know enough about what a teacher's code of conduct would cover to determine if his behavior was inappropriate/punishable. The school, however, seems to believe it was punishable. I won't weep for this guy.
What an employee does on his own time and property would be an area where I would expect the employer to have much less control (as long as it is legal).
And no, not anything can be considered vulgarity.
You're just arguing to argue.
Personally, I just think it's sad that, instead of making it a teachable moment for all involved, they immediately punish the guy that was trying to teach a lesson. He did it in different classes throughout the day, so I don't think he was just going off on a crazed rant. It's hard enough to get through to kids these days; perhaps he was just trying to be memorable.
Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek
Cue the union, the ACLU, and whoever else to get this pos his job back.I just took it from your post that you thought his 1st amendment rights were covering his behavior.Originally Posted by OUMallen
hope they do. It's the First ****ing Amendment.
The guy was an honors English teacher so this would not be "course material". It would seem that he was displaying his political activism rather than anything relevant to his course.
"Anti-American liberal should be deported for stomping on our American flag."
Yeah, because expressing your freedom is SO un-American.
Surprised that other teachers across the country, in a show of solidarity, haven't stomped on the flag yet.
Anyone here with a US flag sticker on their car/truck? If it is faded, guess what? You are desecrating the flag.
BTW, putting the flag on a football helmut or jersey is bad flag ettiquette.
Yes anything can be considered vulgarity. And I wouldnt consider "s" vulgarity.
Regardless, change the example to "God hates gays" on the blackboard. Can the school fire him?
I'm thinking the guy gets fired, but not for what you're thinking. He gets fired for pushing a religious viewpoint. (And really, these days, he' probably get a grievance process and a warning, but I think we're on the same page by using the shorthand of "getting fired".)
Again, a picture of a flag is considered a flag when it comes to the idea of desecration.