What if he wrote "I hate ****s"?Originally Posted by OUMallen
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What if he wrote "I hate ****s"?
Its not hypocritical if a sticker isnt a flag or isnt considered to be one.
You are literally telling me that guy A is a hypocrite for not following the rules that guy B posted on arbitraryflagsite.com. Is that how you think hypocrisy works?
You mean like "s"?
Actually, isn't it possible that you may lose a bunch of rights once you become an employee? You might not necessarily be allowed do what you want, say what you want, or wear want you want. You can have your locker or desk searched for no reason.
Once you punch that time clock things change....
Do you really think rules for flag ettiquite are arbitrary? I dont think you are that dense.
Flag etiquette rules seem about as arbitrary as you can get.
Here is something official from the UD govt that says the same thing as the other link.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/reso...df/RL30243.pdf
If you think it is arbitrary you are a dumb****. I think you know better.
Drug testing.
Interesting to link something that doesnt support anything you have said so far.
That is about the most arbitrary collection of rules for an inanimate object I have ever seen, not to mention that regardless of how "official" they are no one is compelled by the government to follow any of them. Nothing in it mentioned the an image of a flag on a sticker, from what I saw, and the closest thing to it was the bit about patches with flag images being used on uniforms etc which said nothing about the patch deteriorating into some ratty **** condition. In fact the rules were quite distinct when referencing an actual flag vs a patch with an image of a flag on it, and never at any point attempted to equate the two.
In the end, the point remains. Guy A thinks its disrespectful for you to stomp on a flag and Guy A doesnt think a ****ing sticker is a flag. Its not hypocritical, you are just trying to create something that isnt there.
Is Guy A required by law to consider a sticker a flag? Can you show me any logical line of reasoning that makes a unicorn sticker an actual unicorn? No? Then **** off and get out of here with that weak ****. Furthermore, no one said "I get my panties a wad when someone stomps on a flag because I live my life in strict adherence to the "official" flag etiquette rules that beezlebob drug up on the innerwebs" Did they? Did the redneck in pickup with the flag sticker ever say that? Did anyone on this thread ever say that? Did the guy who fired the flag stomping teacher ever say that?
Since you have no ****ing clue why one person or another gets their panties in a wad over flag stomping then you have no ****ing basis by which to deem them hypocritical. Do you? You know what the word means dont you?
While wearing the colors may be in poor taste and offensive to many, it is
important to remember that the Flag Code is intended as a guide to be followed on
a purely voluntary basis to insure proper respect for the flag. It is, at least,
questionable whether statutes placing civil or criminal penalties on the wearing of
clothing bearing or resembling a flag could be constitutionally enforced in light of
Supreme Court decisions in the area of flag desecration.51
In the past, the Supreme Court has held that states may restrict use of pictures
of the flag on commercial products.52 There is a federal criminal prohibition on the
use of the flag for advertising purposes in the District of Columbia.53 While
commercial speech does not receive the full protection of the First Amendment,54 the
status of these statutes and cases can not be taken for granted in light of Eichman and
Johnson.
Never said people were compelled to follow flag ettiquette. But I dont think you should pick and choose. I.E. I can have ripped up car window flag but you cant burn one.
The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner
as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or
boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard (like stickers). Advertising
signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for
display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
Bull****. I dont need to know your motives or thought to know you are a hypocrit. I can judge that by your actions and words.
Guy A is a ****ing Douchebag.
Oh OK, so the other people are hypocritical because of what YOU think, not what they think?
What if they think you should be able to pick and choose? I.E. I can have a ripped up car window flag but you cant burn one?
Again, I just think you dont actually know what hypocrisy means.
Hypocrisy would be: I can burn a flag but YOU cant.
LOL did you just ADD this into something you were quoting from another source? WOW.
Also: Bumper stickers arent designed to be temporarily used and discarded. Let me guess, you are going to opine otherwise?
Regardless, unless the person in question SAID they have a problem with ratty bumper stickers depicting US flags then it isnt hypocrisy for him to have a ratty **** bumper sticker depicting a US flag.
Beelze: I dont think people should be allowed to play football.
Guy A: Im gonna go play football
Beelze: You hypocrite!
Guy B: Um... no... thats not what that word means. Hypocrisy is when I do something I say I disagree with, not when I do something that YOU disagree with.
Hypocrisy is also: I can desecrate a flag but YOU cant. We can play games with rhetoric all you want.
I did add the part in bold to reflect my interpretation.
Yes, I have a different opinion. I have never seen a bumper sticker that lasts forever, or even for the life of a vehicle. If you know where I get a permanent sticker that last EONS without fading or ripping, let me know. I would like a Zappa sticker for my VW.
That would have been a GREAT point if anyone actually said that or indicated thats what they think! Too bad they didnt so it turned out to not even be a point at all. Sad face.
I have never heard of someone putting a bumper sticker on their car that they intended on removing...EVER.
Either way it is irrelevant because no one said they can have a ratty bumper sticker but other people shouldn't be allowed to.
You are completely failing to understand the meaning of an EASY EASY word and it is ****ed embarrassing.
Heh, says the guy that doesn't understand what "vulgar" means.
You mean "says someone who understands that "vulgar" is subjective"? Right?
Have you ever heard of static stickers and magnetic stickers? Those were created for a reason. Part of it was to be easably removed. If you havn't heard of it, it must not exist?
You are embarrassing yourself, Sancho. You fail to see an easy connection. If you say you respect the flag, then respect it. Dont thumb your nose up at traditional flag ettiquette if you are going to **** about someone else's behavior. A flag sticker is a direct image of the flag and should be treated as so or not created in the first place. If you let it get soiled, faded and ugly you might as well be stompng on it.
Way to bounce between subjectivity and literalism as it suits you.
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In society, we all generally agree on what constitutes vulgar, dip****.
Vulgarity it 100% subjective! There aren't any bad words we all agree are distasteful!
Good gawd. I wish they'd ban you and be done with it. You're either too stupid to post on this board (and that's saying a lot) or a troll w/no redeeming qualities.
Without reading any posts except for the first one, let me guess what happens in this thread.
Sancho, Rock, and several others are outraged.
OOO,Heff, and several others see nothing wrong with it.
Same points are repeated over and over and nobody changes their minds
We absolutely do not.
Incorrect.
Correct.
You are weak. You should be banned for being a **** who cant hold his own on a message board.
Again, what if he had written "I hate ****s" on the blackboard and was fired for it. Give me your legal opinion, hold the condescending douchebag rhetoric.
Not outraged at all. I support the teacher's right to stomp the flag and I support the schools right to fire him for being unprofessional.
Again, you are struggling with what hypocrisy means.
By your logic anything anyone says or does in regards to any topic is hypocrisy because you think you can just dictate their values and their opinions on subjective matters to them.
Me: I think its wrong to murder, we shouldnt murder people.
You: Well you are a hypocrite because stepped on that rock!
Me: Well I dont think rocks are alive so....
You: Joesrulesaboutrocks.com says it is! You cant hold a position about something and not also be beholden to everyone elses opinions too!!!!!
Bottom line. No one said or did anything hypocritical. Someone thinks its disrespectful to stomp a flag? Then they shouldnt stomp a flag. They didnt voice their opinion on flag stickers so until we know what they about flag stickers we cant tell if they are being hypocritical or not. You cant project YOUR opinion on flag stickers onto them or YOUR conjecture about what they SHOULD think about flag stickers. Literally, until the redneck in the pickup with the ratty **** sticker SAYS he thinks ratty **** stickers are disrespectful then you have no point. It doesnt matter what you, the government, or joesflagtsite.com says, it matters what the guy in the pickup says.
Here is a hypothetical conversation to further illustrate it.
Redneck: I dont think people should disrespect the flag. That guy stomping on it really chaps my hide!
You: Well you have a ratty sticker of a flag on your truck so that is hypocritical.
Redneck: I dont think ratty flag stickers are disrespectful, so no it isnt.
You: Well I think --
Redneck: Let me stop you right there, it doesnt matter what YOU think...we are talking about whether or not I am hypocritical, so it only matters what I think.
You: Well according to --
Redneck: It doesnt matter what some 3rd party says. I didnt get my opinion from some 3rd party source.
You: But you have to --
Redneck: I don't "have to" do or think anything.
So there you go, you just got owned by the very ignorant redneck who you set out to show your intellectual superiority over because you dont know what a simple word means. Congrats. Good show.
Did you drink a lot over the weekend? Where the hell did rational cub go?
We have "cuss words", we have movie ratings, we have TV ratings, we have restricted words on TV at certain times of day, we have parental advisory labels on CDs/music. All evidence a sort of general consensus of vulgarity.
How on earth can you say we "absolutely" do not? Give me a break. if I knew you IRL, I'd buy you lunch, because you're clearly having a bad day.
Having a national standard of sorts doesn't by any means indicate that we all are even close to agreeing on it. Saying a movie is fit for 13 year old kids doesn't come close to saying that we all generally agree it's fit for a 13 year old. Sucks is another example--many think it's fine to say, many do not. Laws say this or that is art, people say it's vulgar. Public nudity is okay in SF, it's illegal most other places. Vegas' ideals of vulgarity differ greatly from those in North Dakota. Pride parades are attended by mayors in NY and would be considered vulgar here.
You get a solid gold kewpie doll
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