Rod Gilmore says, 'keep it in your pants, er within the program'
Rod Gilmore says, 'keep it in your pants, er within the program'
I disagree, Bob needs to hear the opinions.. Hats off to Steve.
somebody needs to speak up ... waaaaaaay too many pumpers defending him ... the program isn't being left in the dust, it's been left in the dust ... if A&M can improve that much that quickly, than Bob needs to be held accountable ...
I still think the 27 yrs deal is a bit out of line; Bob did win one in 14 yrs and had nothing to do with the previous 13. But yeah, I'm glad these former players are starting to listen to our advice
Gilmore needs to understand that it’s being put out by players in a public form because Bob Stoops has not been entirely truthful about the state of the OU football program over things that anyone can see.
Many fans are also frustrated by the Bob Stoops spin.
Stoops can do everyone who cares about OU football a favor by being bluntly honest about where we need improvement.
Last edited by OU48A; January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 PM.
I would be more impressed if a bunch of former players, perhaps in a group, set up a meeting with Stoops to discuss what they see going on with the program. While the former players speaking out gives credence to our concerns, it's not the correct way to handle this. You go up the chain of command. If they don't make an impression on Bob, they meet with Joe. Then David.
Joe and David are smart enough to realize how serious this is coming from former players.
They would probably need to go straight to Joe cause Bob isn't meeting with any former players.
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I don't think they need to "keep it in the family". Its part of the job ... listen, learn, deal with it.
OH... It will get to Bob. I am sure at least one of his assistants reads this board. Word flies fast.
Sometime you need a kick in the butt
If Bob weren't so **** defensive and didn't make excuses for every short coming, then players wouldn't feel the need to go public with their comments. It's the only voice they have, so they are using it.
Its good to see Steve Davis give his take on the program. He's one of the nicest guys there is and he put it delicately for Stoops and co. He's basically saying we're not on the right track. If your going to listen to anybody, listen to Steve. His 2 National Championships and 33-1-1 record as a starter speaks for itself.
Not gonna lean one way or the other,but some of you guys need to wake the hell up and look at reality. Who has control over anyone else's success in regards from one team to another?
Who knows more about what the players are capable of than their own position coaches?
How many variables are there in regards to winning a conference championship? A NC? How many of those variables are controlled by the HBC? By people on a message board?
How easy is it to blame someone else when things don't turn out the way you want them to?
Did anyone notice how young this team is?
We win @ ND next season and everybody will be lining up to suck Stoops off.
I don't think Steve just threw some thoughtless criticism out there so ESPN would have something to talk about.
Stoops is an average recruiter and I don't think that will change. As he is so fond of saying, it is what it is. Bob's personality is not going to change.
Up until this point Bob and his assts have done an above avg. job of coaching. I think the combination of an average QB, Venables defense and some poor recruiting choices over the last couple of years are catching up to Bob.
Next year looks to be a rebuilding year. OU should have done much better the last two seasons. There wasn't any reason for us to lose any of the games we lost in 2011. Back up players just didn't get it done. This year we shouldn't have lost to KSU. Mistakes cost us that game -- and porus run defense. So 2 experienced teams blew their chance for the spotlight, now we're at rebuilding.
I think its pretty clear that our recruiting and performance, especially at the O and D line, and linebackers, hasn't produced very well the last couple of years, for whatever reason.
And while it is frustrating to see us at times get exposed like aTm this year, its also a bit encouraging to know that even with those deficiencies we were able to win a share of the big XII this year.
This is college football. You lose players every year. You never have the same roster two years in a row. We have had great receivers and we have a great group of young receivers that will be good for a few years. Our secondary has been really good, too, imo. If we get a good o line and a good defensive front within the next two years, we could be right back in the title picture.
Other than Alabama, what team has been at the top of college football and continued their success without some down years or down games where they look outmatched? Auburn isn't even relevant right now, Texas is a joke, USC was the most dissappointing team in CFB this year.
Keep ****ing about 10-2 seasons, I'm sure Stoops cares what we all think.
And Steve Davis can say whatever the **** he wants, just like we all can.
I know everyone likes to hate on Bob. He's an easy target. It's like blaming the President when gas prices go up. Just a part of the game. However, I really feel like there is more to be said about the lackluster talent OU seems to have now. It's definitely gone a few notches down. Watchng Alabama in the title game reminded me what OU teams from the early 00's looked like, and then re-watching the Cotton Bowl after affirmed just how far off we are.
To me it is very comparable to what has been going on in Austin for 3 years. The major difference is we do have a coach who can coach. If you want to look at the 6 losses the last two years and blame game plans, I won't argue you, but the major difference to me since 2008 is an immense drop off in talent. It's scary to think about.
One of Steve Davis's national championship teams lost at home to Kansas 23-3. That Kansas team finished 7-5.
That same team played its bowl game against Big Ten runner-up Michigan, which was 8-1-2 coming in.
These are different times.
Was at the OB game vs Mich and should have shut them out except for an OU fumble deep in our own territory. OU's D stopped Mich cold.
Your statement totally ignores how the season ended and it was bad, bad, bad. Conference championships don't mean a whole lot to me, now that we have a 10 team conference, they mean even less.
Had we not shit ourselves against aTm, Davis nor any other former Sooner player would have to say anything. I for one am glad they spoke up.
I'm all for a inter program brawl out in the front yard if that's what it takes. The more public the better.....
If Capel is so bad, why is he on Coach K's staff now?
All that being said, I'm loving Lon.
The better athlete, when in great condition in general has lower injury rates.
We have not had enough great athletes playing in the trenches recently.
We need to recruit better and more numbers of linemen.
Also our league is very pass oriented, and we aren't going to get Bama-style linemen year in and year out. If we played smash-mouth run the ball football all the time, I think we would get beat a couple times a season by teams like OSU (see Bama vs. aTm this year). The years when we can run the ball well and be a great passing team, those are the years we compete. That starts with having a good line. Just like in the SEC or whatever, its the teams that are good enough to be balanced that get to the NC.