What a fraud.
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What a fraud.
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Agree. I was one of his biggest defenders. That being said, he was the best of all the people on PEDs so... 'merica!
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It's par for the course in the sport.Originally Posted by htownSOONER
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Armstrong's a **** and deserves what is coming to him.
That being said, can somebody please point out those in cycling that AREN'T doping?
He is a dumb****. Basically, he needed to come out and say that secondary to his orchiectomy, his testosterone level was low.
Low testosterone will cause your blood count to be low.
Then he could say he took either testosterone to make up for his low level or he took epo to boost his blood count. Either of which put him back to where he would have been if he had 2 ****s.
Sure he took peds, but he could have had a great excuse or two.
So why is he a ****?
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He shouldn't have come after the people that were outing him in the way he did. I don't care that he was doping. He was playing by the rules everyone else was playing by--even if they weren't on the books.
They took all of his titles and said he does not belong in this sport. But the titles are being vacated because 20 of the top 21 finishers have all been found guilty of useing PEDs.
I really don't care that he was using PEDs. He is still the best cyclist in the world.
Where he went wrong was the same place Roger Clemens went wrong, by so vigorously denying he ever took anything. Of course Clemens was "acquitted." I don't have a huge problem with LA taking stuff. Dude had cancer and had one of his balls removed AND everyone else seemed to be also taking them. I do have a problem with him being high and mighty in his defense and lying about it. If anyone ever had a built-in excuse for using and then being forgiven it would be him.
Edit: Just reread what I wrote and it seemed like I was sort of being trite in comparing his cancer to a "built-in excuse." Cancer is a ****. My apologies if it seemed like I was downplaying it.
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Reason number 1 of many why he is a ****. He's spent years bullying people and threatening legal action when all they were doing was telling the truth about him. Great guy.
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Every cyclist thats competing in any of the UCI tours is cheating. Bradley Wiggins, a former, mildly successful, one-day specialist dominated the tour de france this year. How? Doping of some form. It's existed in cycling since the 70's if not longer, and will continue to exist. Doping stays ahead of testing.
I read this article back in the summer and saw a different side of him that isn't talked about much
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor...Armstrong.html
Great article. Never heard of anything like this before.
And then there's Lance Armstrong.
****ing nutless, PED-eating, Whorn-rooting, piece of ****.
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I always thought so because his wife stood by him during cancer and then he tossed her aside for Hollywood and famous women.
Not quite the way it all went down. She was out having her fun too.
I stand corrected.
But I would do if I was married to that ****hat. He is supposed to be a cl**** A jerk
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He is a jerk, but I hope they lift his lifetime ban, I really want to see him in Ironman. I don't give a **** about him doing PEDS in the early 00s, who wasn't? Seems harsh to issue a lifetime ban though, considering they let known dopers still race in the TDF.
So, the outcome of the movie Dodgeball would've been different had Peter LaFleur known the truth?
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Everyone dopes in cycling. And it's cycling, so I'd rather talk about steroids in baseball or the NHL lockout.
I've actually met the guy a few times and he's been pretty kick back. I don't care if he was better at doping than everybody else...he ****ed over the french and I'm always for an American ****ing over the french.
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I don't care about the drugs.
I don't like the way all the roiders get so sassy in their denials.
Everyone knows that when you get involved/caught in a scandal like this, all you have to do is go on with Oprah and come clean. All will be forgiven and you'll be a hero again.
The American way. ::eyeroll
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I would watch the interview if he would talk about nailing Cheryl Crow and Sandra Bullock.
OK, now I hate him. ****ing **** sucker
****ing nutless, PED-eating, Whorn-rooting, piece of ****.
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What is the likelyhood that his testicular cancer was caused by whatever he was taking?
If everyone was/is doping then it's not really fair to punish one dude just because he was better while doping than everyone else. However, I feel that in baseball the homerun crowns ougt to go back to Roger Maris and Hank Aaron. I don't believe either of those guys were doping when they set their records. But Bonds and McGwire and those guys were doping. I also don't understand how everyone got in such a hissy that Maris broke Ruth's record playing more games so they had to put an asterisk by Maris' name for many years. But we're somehow just supposed to accept Bonds records straight up.
Most people don't care about the doping. And it hasn't exactly been a witchhunt as people have suggested. Almost every big cyclist from that era has been busted. He was the last "great" doper standing.
He was **** to everyone that got in his way. But be ****ured this "admission" has been massaged by legal types for sure. so it'll be interesting to see what comes of this from people wanting their money back..
I was doping after I finished dinner last night, moments before the Thunder game tipped off. Later, I doped again and played some Minecraft.
I mean, '**** cyclists' in general but I don't see what's the big deal.
Hell, let em all dope. It'll just make all the sports better.
I guess the statute of limitations has run out on the perjury stuff. I don't give a **** about cycling or the fact that he doped. But he was a royal **** to everyone about it, and now that he is realizing that he can't brow beat people into doing **** for him, or the fact that he's not making any money because of it, he's going to come clean? **** him. what a puss.
Everyone makes mistakes. Frankly, his foundation is a lot more important than PED use, or being a **** to cover up his mistake and protect his brand.
What exactly did he do? Did he use PEDs or was he blood doping? My understanding of blood doping is basically that you store up some of your blood and then when you enter a competition, you transfuse it back into your body--kind of overfilling your red blood cell tank which gives you more endurance b/c you get more oxygen stored and used or whatever. It's not a PED is it? It's your own blood.
Really? So you're okay with him defrauding sponsors, insurance companies, etc.? You're a lawyer?? Wtf is wrong with you people?
He didn't make a "mistake". He deliberately and systematically cheated for years. And if that wasn't bad enough, he then continued to deny even in the face of overwhelming evidence and vehemently went on the attack against anyone who dared to speak the truth. And he doesn't give a **** about his Foundation or he wouldn't have ever put it in that position to begin with. He didn't give a **** about it then and he doesn't now. His partial (and that's all it's gonna be) "admission" is all so he can now turn in the suits who knew about it so that he can try and get himself a lighter ban. He's a douche of epic proportions and I'm pretty sure he and my baby daddy might be the same person.
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I never knew what the big deal was...it's dude's riding on bikes. Who gives a **** what they do?
Don't act like he was the only one doing it or just a few other people. Doping in cycling is the status quo.
On edit : his foundation has done more for cancer research than most out there.
I hope none of you ever do anything wrong or the wrong way. Apparently, you'd never forgive yourselves.
Oh, okay. So since other people engage in fraudulent behavior, that makes it acceptable. And since he donates some of his millions that were gained fraudulently to cancer charities, that's okay too. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Great way to behave.
How much money did Bernie Madoff donate to charities? You give him a p**** as well? He wasn't the only fraud in his industry, either.
Mistakes and fraud are two different things. You should know and appreciate the difference.
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Fully aware of the difference. He's already been banned for life from the sport. You guys are acting like he's a m**** murderer or baby killer.
Please point out where I characterized him as such.
Comparing Armstrong to Madoff..lol. Madoff ruined a lot of people's lives, how many did Armstrong ruin?
If he's gonna cheat like everyone else, that's fine but don't jump on your douche-y high horse while you're doing it. Which is my problem with him.
I was exaggerating on purpose. My point is that a lot of people who aren't impacted by him one way or the other seem to be awfully excited about their dislike for Lance Armstrong. I have a hard time feeling that strongly about anyone one way or the other because we're all imperfect and flawed. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't done something they aren't proud of.
Yeah he's guilty of being an ****, so let it go..
He entered into contracts fraudulently as a means to enrich himself. And I agree that the results of Madoff's fraud were much more devastating. But they were both frauds and both benefitted financially at another party's expense.
It's more than that, but whatever.
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