Last edited by oupunk; January 17th, 2013 at 11:12 PM.
Armstrong, and it's not close. Even if it turns out that Manti orchestrated this entire deal, he didn't try to wreck other peoples' lives with lawsuits and lies, to protect himself.
This question is hard as hell.
I chose Te'o, but only because it's more humiliating. Armstrong's been lying and bullying and browbeating people for years, though.
Armstrong made millions of dollars cheating, breaking laws and lieing. Te'o almost won an amature award and his lies weren't crimes (i think).
Therefore Armstrong is a much greater ****.
I say Armstrong. That **** sued and won I think half a million because he was called a cheater.
Fvckin it live via tapatalk dos
This like asking what's worse between John Blake and Bob Stoops.
I hope Lance has trust funds set up for his kids.
Last edited by soonerintn; July 19th, 2013 at 07:48 PM.
Armstrong. He cheated in a sport nobody gives a shit about and he's a whorn.
Shocking that anyone thought Armstrong was clean, and more shocking that anyone cares. For some reason it's OK for a huge number of NFL players to use steroids while everyone just smiles and looks the other way. I can't wait for the Dallas Cowboys to have their SuperBowls taken away because their players eventually admit to PED use.
As far as Teo goes... His lies are just ****ed up and pathetic. I'd be 1,000,000 times more embarrassed if I were his sorry ass.
Oprah's interview last night was really good. I'm not a fan (& had to look on twitter to find out what channel OWN was), but I thought her questions and delivery were great. He, however, appeared to me as too matter of fact and apathetic... dude was talking about hundreds of lies and bullying people and going to extreme measures to cover up said lies with complete flat affect - I understand wanting to be pragmatic about it, but appeared to be totally unremorseful and unaffected by the whole thing. And maybe he is, who knows, but show a lil emotion on your face, yo. He looked like a full on asswad. Made me wanna kick him in the, uh, nut.
Last edited by McRib; January 18th, 2013 at 07:55 AM.
I clicked on the wrong person. I meant to vote Armstrong.
Not because of the lies or bullying.
Simply because Armstrong is a ****in' longhorn.
I went with T'eo .
In all of the bad that Armstrong has done, his foundation has likely saved a bunch of lives.
I kind of view him in the same light as Paul Muller...the guy that developed DDT (for which he won the Nobel prize). It turned out to be a bad thing, but there are millions of people alive today that would be dead without his "gift."
I went with Te'o too. That guy is never going to live this down unless he quits football and becomes a hermit. He's going to catch shit from the media and in the locker room as long as he's involved in sports. Lance Armstrong has done enough good things sprinkled in with all of that bad, that he's going to be able to recover if he does it right.
I think most people are not even aware of their actual mission. It is just a big support group. Not saying they don't do good but the only argument for them "saving lives" is maybe from awareness.
Lance Armstrong is the correct answer and its not even close. This dude has left a wide trail of threats and financial ruin of anybody that crossed him
Honestly college kids do dumb shit and Lance knew well what he was doing. Of course he probably wanted the money and fame that comes with winning.. No one pays you big bucks to ride a bicycle if you suck at it.
From your linked article:
The foundation gave out a total of $20 million in research grants between 1998 and 2005, the year it began phasing out its support of hard science. A note on the foundation’s website informs visitors that, as of 2010, it no longer even accepts research proposals.
2008 Michael J Fox's foundation gave 33 million in 2008 alone (per the article that is taking in the same amount of $ as Livestrong)
Susan G Komen foundation gave 145 million in a 2 year period
Since 05 they have been nothing more than an awareness organization and some say a PR machine for Lance Armstrong
More people are probably more aware of Livestrong.com which is not even part of Lance Armstrong's Livestrong.org
Just saying most people really have no idea what they do and what they don't do.
The more you read up on it the more skeptical you become
Armstrong is a lying, cheating thief. Much worse.
Teo is just an attention whoring ****up.
Maybe my point of view is skewed because I've seen PEDs used in multiple different sports, including the sport associated with this very board. Every single Tour de France contender for the last 15 years dopes. It's simply the culture. (Like body building back with Arnold Schwarzenegger). At the beginning if the interview, Lance stated that he didn't feel like he was cheating, he felt like he was leveling the playing field. Well, he was right, and he had two options. Dope and win... or don't and get your ass kicked. He chose to win, which is in his words his biggest flaw. (That and he really is an arrogant ass.)
I still say Teo is more of a fraud and truly pathetic.
And for all of the people around Lance that ratted him out... mostly people that used to cheat with him... reminds me of guys talking shit after sleeping with girls.
Manti also lied about an interception in the Oklahoma/Notre Dame game. Plus he has a a stupid name even based on his heritage. There needs to be a 3rd option though, they both suck.
Armstrong is a ****.
Armstrong is worse and is truly a piece of shit. Te'o is just ****ing weird.
You can buy that BS he was spewing to Oprah (a whole separate topic btw) but most people aren't.
If he was just cheating in the cycling world nobody would give a rip
I wish there was a 3rd option. I'm a cancer survivor and I hate the fact that Teo's fake girlfriend "died" of cancer. I'm not shocked by Armstrong and I think both are losers.
Even if Armstrong didn't cheat he is still worse, damn longhorn fan.
I can't answer until I know what Teo's motive was. If Teo's motive was to get recognition for Heisman consideration and he used his dead grandmother as part of that ploy, then he is a piece of shit.
Armstrong's case simple, he cheated to win and at least he had the BALL to admit it.
C'mon man. He has been lying about for 17 years. Only when faced irrefutable evidence and a lifetime ban is he owning up to it. Then pulls out "well I only did because everybody was doing it" defense
Team Lance took doping to a new level.
He is about to get a taste of his own medicine. He is going to be sued into oblivion and maybe worse by the justice dept
No offense, but those of you who voted for Te'o are slightly regarded.