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    DRIESSEN: Obama’s wishful thinking on green energy
    Fed crackdown on fracking ignores facts

    By Paul Driessen Friday, January 18, 2013

    Wishful thinking guides today’s federal energy policymakers. The Obama administration is now exploring ways to exert control over hydraulic fracturing technology that has increased U.S. petroleum production — despite federal leasing and drilling delays and moratoriums — even though the states have successfully regulated the practice for decades.

    The administration lavishes billions of taxpayer dollars on sun, wind, wave, algae and cornfield energy that they hype and hope will replace fossil fuels. They ignore health and environmental laws in order to green-light these favored technologies, overlooking killed birds and bats, the impact to scenic and wildlife habitats, and harm to people’s well-being from wind turbines, rising energy costs and high unemployment resulting from their actions.

    Other policies tilt the playing field against sources they fear and loathe, especially hydrocarbons that provide 83 percent of all U.S. energy, versus 2 percent for biofuel and 1.4 percent for wind and solar.

    Whereas renewable energy schemes and scams require tens of billions in annual taxpayer and consumer subsidies, hydrocarbons generate millions of jobs and hundreds of billions of dollars annually in royalties, taxes and economic activity. Yet the administration continues to throw senseless obstacles in the path of fossil fuel production and hinder proposals for a pipeline that would carry Canadian oil to American refineries.

    Innovative private companies perfected new fracking techniques in North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Texas and Louisiana, where the federal government ownership of land varies from 2 percent to 5 percent. That would have been impossible in our 13 Western states, where the feds own 30 percent of Montana and 85 percent of Nevada.

    Fracking drove U.S. natural gas prices down to $3.20 per thousand cubic feet (or million Btu) today — versus a high of $14 in 2008, and more than $14 in Europe and Japan today. This has yielded cheaper electricity for homes, businesses and hospitals, fuel for natural gas-powered vehicles, and feed stocks for petrochemicals. It also translates into competitive advantages and more jobs, economic productivity and tax revenues.

    IHS Global Insight calculates that this revolutionary technology has already created 1.7 million new jobs, pumped hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy and generated more than $60 billion in federal, state and local tax receipts during 2012 alone. By 2035, it could create another 2 million jobs, rejuvenate American manufacturing, inject more than $5 trillion in cumulative capital expenditures into the U.S. economy, and generate $2.5 trillion in additional government revenues.

    Fracked gas has replaced coal in factories and electric power plants, reducing emissions of particulates, sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide.

    Hydro-fracking has also reduced U.S. oil imports and U.S. dollar exports, making Russia, Venezuela and OPEC states nervous that shriveling demand for their oil will reduce global prices and their revenue. It persuaded the United Arab Emirates to bankroll Matt Damon’s recent anti-fracking film, “Promised Land.”

    Contrary to Mr. Damon’s allegations, more than 1.5 million fracked wells prove the process is safe. The industry increasingly uses kitchen-cabinet chemicals and recycled saline water that is unfit for agriculture. It has disproved virtually every claim of groundwater contamination. The “controversy” over fracking was manufactured to enrich pressure groups and justify their loathing of hydrocarbons.

    Their latest “concern” is that methane leaking from natural gas wells and pipelines could contribute to “runaway man-made climate change.” However, methane represents barely 0.00018 percent of Earth’s atmosphere. Its link to climate change is conjectural at best, and gas that might escape from fracking operations is dwarfed by emissions from termites, cows, landfills, coal seams and far less careful oil and gas operations in developing countries.

    This helps explain why many British politicians now support fracking, which would reduce the soaring electricity prices that United Kingdom wind energy mandates and subsidies have imposed on families and businesses. It’s why former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell told Gov. Andrew Cuomo he’d be “fracking crazy” to continue banning the practice in economically depressed areas of rural New York.

    Many families there are on the verge of losing their farms. They support gas production to generate jobs and revenues — and ward off vulture environmentalists who are waiting for foreclosures to swoop in and grab their lands on the cheap, to create parks and weekend homes for New York City elites.

    By raising interminable objections to safe, proven technologies, radical environmentalists and the Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency hope to raise production costs and prices of fossil fuels. This, they hope, will increase oil and gas prices, making wind, solar and biofuel energy more competitive — albeit at the expense of jobs, economic growth and tax revenues.

    Energy policy is about choosing among imperfect sources of power to support modern societies and living standards. No source of energy, anywhere, anytime, has zero environmental impacts or risks.

    Rather than wasting billions more taxpayer dollars pursuing wishful energy policies, Mr. Obama, Congress, Mr. Cuomo and governors of other shale-rich states like California and Michigan should pursue energy reality, security and prosperity.

    They should let states continue regulating hydraulic fracturing on private land, and make it easier to get drilling and fracking permits on federal land. That would ensure job creation, revenue generation, economic recovery and sensible protection of wildlife habitats and human health from the effects of petroleum, wind, solar and ethanol programs alike.

    Paul Driessen is senior policy adviser for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow and author of “Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death” (Merril Press, 2012).

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    There's no better way to display your intellect and depth than by calling someone "stupid."

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    Originally Posted by Sinatra View Post
    There's no better way to display your intellect and depth than by calling someone "stupid."
    What a great counter argument...plenty of depth and intellect there.

    Genius wasnt appropriate...retarded perhaps insensitive...maybe I should have used enlightened since the two meanings are often synonymous these days.

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    Originally Posted by Sinatra View Post
    There's no better way to display your intellect and depth than by calling someone "stupid."
    Most brilliant response I have ever read.

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    Originally Posted by Tundra View Post
    Most brilliant response I have ever read.
    Deep, too.

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    And thank god we only have 4 more years of Obama….
    But his shit sandwich he leaves behind will take decades to undue.

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    Originally Posted by soonerintn View Post
    You think it can be undone?


    I am trying to stay optimistic.

    We can survive Obama… but I am not so sure we can survive with a nation of people who would vote a person like Obama back into office for a second time.

    It means we are likely to get Obama 2.0 sometime in our future!
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    To expand on my last post


    The Video is on the link
    http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=latestTVShow#1

    Are we the people responsible for the chaos that is enveloping America?

    "The folks are indeed responsible for the government they get, and Americans now are faced with a very serious economic situation. This week the Government Accountability Office released its annual audit of the U.S. government. The conclusion: 'Absent policy changes, the federal government continues to face an unsustainable fiscal path.' If the feds do not stop the wild spending and do not reform Medicare and Social Security, the U.S. dollar will collapse. That means all of our savings and investments and everything else will blow up before our eyes. Chances are that you will not hear about the GAO report except on this program because the liberal media will not tell you what is going on. President Obama does not want to cut federal spending or entitlements and the media loves President Obama, so the folks be damned! Many Americans are too lazy to pay attention to their country; they're selfish, caught up in individual pursuits.

    Thus the federal government has been allowed by we the people to get out of control. So I have to play Paul Revere here, I have to continue to tell you the truth. But many Americans will not listen and many are not smart enough to even care. Disaster could be coming!"

    In the wake of this dismal economic news, The Factor asked Fox Business anchor Lou Dobbs why President Obama's approval rating is still around 50%. "It's inexplicable," Dobbs declared. "Here's a man who has raised taxes on nearly everybody and who has run up four consecutive trillion-dollar deficits. He has an economy that is not being returned to prosperity; 23-million people are still unemployed. I think people are smart enough to know there's a problem, but we have a national media that is part of this coalition of dependence on the Democratic Party. There's no aggressive watchdog that would normally be attacking the misadventures of those in power, we're in a new era."

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    Why do Dem’s slow efforts to reduce our addiction to foreign oil?
    The level of DEM and Obama stupidity is beyond comprehension!


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    America’s dangerous addiction to foreign oil sucked almost half a trillion dollars out of the U.S. economy and shipped it overseas. The recipients? Primarily state-owned oil companies.

    Worth noting is the fact that the $434 billion that Americans spent on foreign oil last year equals the total amount of unemployment benefits paid to ALL Americans during the five-year span from 2007 through 2011.


    The most recent snapshot - the month of December - reveals that 318 million barrels of petroleum were imported at an average price of $109.49 per barrel. That works out to a cost of $780,678.91 per minute or $34.8 billion for the entire month.

    For the last six months, consumers have endured oil prices (Brent) above $100 a barrel. Moreover, they have been above $100 a barrel for 22 of the last 23 months.

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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    Why do Dem’s slow efforts to reduce our addiction to foreign oil?
    The level of DEM and Obama stupidity is beyond comprehension!


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    America’s dangerous addiction to foreign oil sucked almost half a trillion dollars out of the U.S. economy and shipped it overseas. The recipients? Primarily state-owned oil companies.

    Worth noting is the fact that the $434 billion that Americans spent on foreign oil last year equals the total amount of unemployment benefits paid to ALL Americans during the five-year span from 2007 through 2011.


    The most recent snapshot - the month of December - reveals that 318 million barrels of petroleum were imported at an average price of $109.49 per barrel. That works out to a cost of $780,678.91 per minute or $34.8 billion for the entire month.

    For the last six months, consumers have endured oil prices (Brent) above $100 a barrel. Moreover, they have been above $100 a barrel for 22 of the last 23 months.
    The Obama logic is that it is better to "outsource" our energy. Over 2/3 of our trade deficit paid in foreign oil.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    The Obama logic is that it is better to "outsource" our energy. Over 2/3 of our trade deficit paid in foreign oil.
    It’s just not Obama's stupid logic we are dealing with it’s the stupid logic of most democrats.... this is who they are.

    Democrats have been slowing or blocking the development of large US energy resource long before most ever heard of Obama.

    The democrats are responsible for costing the US economy trillions!

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    Fact is that Obama is doing the same things that GWB was hated by the democrats for doing 4 years ago and we get 4 more years of the same shit. You can hate Bush all you want Democrats but you elected 8 more years of that dumbass and are loving it just because he's a democrat. The only thing that would change for you to hate Obama is if he switched parties. Which wouldn't shock me based on what he has done politically in the past.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    The Obama logic is that it is better to "outsource" our energy. Over 2/3 of our trade deficit paid in foreign oil.
    Keystone would greatly increase such deficit, no?

    What percentage of the product supplied would be for domestic purposes?

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    Keystone would greatly increase such deficit, no?

    What percentage of the product supplied would be for domestic purposes?
    Keystone is cheap, and I don't think we'd export it anywhere. Every other country around has a better product than that.
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    Last edited by oucub23; January 21st, 2013 at 02:24 PM.

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    Originally Posted by SpankyNek View Post
    Keystone would greatly increase such deficit, no?

    What percentage of the product supplied would be for domestic purposes?
    I'm not talking about Keystone in regard to importing Canadian Crude but for the Bakken it would be a savings for the consumer. But I certainly would rather be importing Canadian crude than ME crude.

    About 70% of imported oil is used for transportation...the rest largely for petroleum products like plastics, nylon, etc...

    But when you ban drilling in 2 oceans or in ANWR and slow play permits on federal lands you are forcing exploration to go elsewhere along with the jobs, royalties, bonus money, tax revenues, etc...

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    Originally Posted by Gratefuldawg View Post
    Trash
    You calling our President trash?????

    Well, you got dat right.

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    Originally Posted by QRISooner View Post
    You calling our President trash?????

    Well, you got dat right.
    While you are completely correct, let’s not forget thatObama still has a lot of help from large numbers of people who are just aseager as Obama is to do the things they have done and they are still going tobe a force to deal with after Obama is gone.

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    Let me guess your pro-drilling and status quo type person

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    What are the signs that the republicans won't just continue with Obama's policies like Obama continued with Bush's?

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    Originally Posted by eightisgreat View Post
    Let me guess your pro-drilling and status quo type person
    Let me guess...you want to use wind energy to power our cars?

    Pro Drilling yes. Status quo...absolutely not. I want energy independence...not $400,000,000,000 going for imported oil.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Let me guess...you want to use wind energy to power our cars?

    Pro Drilling yes. Status quo...absolutely not. I want energy independence...not $400,000,000,000 going for imported oil.
    Columbus did just fine w/wind powered transportation.

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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    Columbus did just fine w/wind powered transportation.
    Some might say he was blown off course....of course that could bring us back to Clinton.
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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    While you are completely correct, let’s not forget thatObama still has a lot of help from large numbers of people who are just aseager as Obama is to do the things they have done and they are still going tobe a force to deal with after Obama is gone.
    I know. It takes a village......or so I've been told. lol....

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    Way to cite a clearly unbiased source. Lol.

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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    I am trying to stay optimistic.

    We can survive Obama… but I am not so sure we can survive with a nation of people who would vote a person like Obama back into office for a second time.

    It means we are likely to get Obama 2.0 sometime in our future!
    All the next guy has to do is CANCEL all the ****ing Executive Orders, that's the only way he can get the other ****s to go along with his desires!!!
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    Originally Posted by party1234 View Post
    Way to cite a clearly unbiased source. Lol.
    Way to cite nothing.

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    Way to cite nothing.
    You did it again.
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    Originally Posted by oucub23 View Post
    You did it again.
    Heh...sometimes I just can't help myself.

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    There's a lot of stupidity in THIS thread, that's fo sho.

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    Way to cite nothing.
    I'm not claiming to be an expert on energy reforms. I could probably get on jstor and provide you with a few academic journals later if you want, but I'm sure you won't have access.

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    Originally Posted by party1234 View Post
    I'm not claiming to be an expert on energy reforms. I could probably get on jstor and provide you with a few academic journals later if you want, but I'm sure you won't have access.
    You're not an expert...that's really a surprise.

    Please do post your scientific facts...it might educate yourself...it would also be nice to see something regarding facts for a change coming from the left regarding energy rather than the voodoo that comes from Obama which I'm sure you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

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    Originally Posted by party1234 View Post
    I'm not claiming to be an expert on energy reforms. I could probably get on jstor and provide you with a few academic journals later if you want, but I'm sure you won't have access.
    What you may not know is that okie52 is an expert in his area of energy.
    He doesn’t need any access to academic journals.
    In fact most academic journals could learn a good deal from him.






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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    What you may not know is that okie52 is an expert in his area of energy.
    He doesn’t need any access to academic journals.
    In fact most academic journals could learn a good deal from him.
    Thank you 48 (your check is in the mail) but I'm not an expert at all...you've got a handle on a lot of areas of energy that I don't.

    You don't really have to be an expert to understand how counterproductive Obama's/many dems positions are on energy. Just some basic math, a little reading and common sense would get most people to understand how detrimental these policies really are to the US.

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    Originally Posted by okie52 View Post
    Thank you 48 (your check is in the mail) but I'm not an expert at all...you've got a handle on a lot of areas of energy that I don't.

    You don't really have to be an expert to understand how counterproductive Obama's/many dems positions are on energy. Just some basic math, a little reading and common sense would get most people to understand how detrimental these policies really are to the US.
    Thanks….You may not be called before congress to testify but compared to most others on this board your work experience puts you in the expert category along with a few others on this board who also know the business very well.

    But you are right…. it doesn’t take an expert to understand how bad Obama has been on energy. People with even a third grade economic education should be able to see how bad Obama and virtually all elected democrats have been for our energy security, prosperity and this goes back over 30 years.
    But they just keep voting for the same stupidity.
    The sad news is that this is just one of many areas where we have seen failed leadership.

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    Originally Posted by OU48A View Post
    Thanks….You may not be called before congress to testify but compared to most others on this board your work experience puts you in the expert category along with a few others on this board who also know the business very well.

    But you are right…. it doesn’t take an expert to understand how bad Obama has been on energy. People with even a third grade economic education should be able to see how bad Obama and virtually all elected democrats have been for our energy security, prosperity and this goes back over 30 years.
    But they just keep voting for the same stupidity.
    The sad news is that this is just one of many areas where we have seen failed leadership.
    You'd think with the state of our economy for the last 4 years and apparently for the next 4 years that creating jobs, eliminating our trade deficit and debt, and pursuing energy independence would be at the top of the list for any president or party.

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    I clearly stated I know little of the topic. I was critiquing the article you cited, not your argument. I'm open to researching more about a topic, but as an academic I'm leery of any sources which posted on the website outwardly conservative, christian sponsored organization (nothing wrong with being conservative or christian, but when looking for information on a topic I seek sources which attempt to be as unbiased as possible).

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    Originally Posted by party1234 View Post
    I clearly stated I know little of the topic. I was critiquing the article you cited, not your argument. I'm open to researching more about a topic, but as an academic I'm leery of any sources which posted on the website outwardly conservative, christian sponsored organization (nothing wrong with being conservative or christian, but when looking for information on a topic I seek sources which attempt to be as unbiased as possible).
    That's fine. I wouldn't dispute that the author was pro hydrocarbon but I would like someone that disagrees with his position to provide facts or a counter argument that support their position. There are those that certainly disagree with his position but I have found when it gets down to the facts in a counter argument there isn't really much to support that position, but I am certainly willing to look at them and try (not always easy) to keep an open mind about it.

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    What are the signs that the republicans won't just continue with Obama's policies like Obama continued with Bush's?
    Romney had drastically different economic and monetary policy.

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    Really? You really think he would have changed things to where the rich gets fewer deductions? I seriously doubt that.

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    Originally Posted by SoonerLibertarian View Post
    Really? You really think he would have changed things to where the rich gets fewer deductions? I seriously doubt that.
    Monetary and economic policy isn't dictated by one thing. That would be like saying our foreign policy is based on our relationship with Egypt.

    He did say he was going to remove deductions, and had some rough outlines of what he was going to do.

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    Romney doesn't have the guts to put someone in that would have raised interest rates to market value levels and cut off the money supply that is funding both the rich and government class that he's a member of.

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    "The path towards sustainable energy sources will be long and sometimes difficult. But America cannot resist this transition, we must lead it. We cannot cede to other nations the technology that will power new jobs and new industries, we must claim its promise. That’s how we will maintain our economic vitality and our national treasure -- our forests and waterways, our crop lands and snow-capped peaks. That is how we will preserve our planet, commanded to our care by God. That’s what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared."
    Barack Hussein Obama 1/21/2013

    How ironic.

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    Obama will never be able to shake the title of the great divider.

    Except for spending us closer to bankruptcy Obama will get nothing great done.
    Deliberately dividing the nation is what separates Obama from all other presidents…
    So yes there is a huge difference between Obama and even the worst of the other presidents.
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    Clearly a lot of you disgruntled conservatives should just pack up and get out of the Country now before the social trends reflected in current and future elections totally destroy your withered little hopes for a capitalist utopia. Take all your wealth and superior knowledge and buy some third world shithole for your own country and prove to the "soon to be declining" USA, that your greedy asses knew best after all!

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    Originally Posted by dainbramage View Post
    Clearly a lot of you disgruntled conservatives should just pack up and get out of the Country now before the social trends reflected in current and future elections totally destroy your withered little hopes for a capitalist utopia. Take all your wealth and superior knowledge and buy some third world shithole for your own country and prove to the "soon to be declining" USA, that your greedy asses knew best after all!
    Yes, wanting to keep your own money is being greedy... but taking other people's money at gunpoint and pissing it away on things that YOU want to spend it on is being compassionate and enlightened. As illustrated repeatedly on this board those who lean to the Left struggle to understand the basic meanings of relatively simple words.

    You might want to rethink posting at all until you can demonstrate that you actually understand what the word "greed" means.

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    Originally Posted by dainbramage View Post
    Clearly a lot of you disgruntled conservatives should just pack up and get out of the Country now before the social trends reflected in current and future elections totally destroy your withered little hopes for a capitalist utopia. Take all your wealth and superior knowledge and buy some third world shithole for your own country and prove to the "soon to be declining" USA, that your greedy asses knew best after all!
    The problem is that all the liberals are doing is doing the same thing the conservatives were for the previous 8 years. They just use rhetoric that the rich are evil while still giving those ****s more tax breaks and more benefits and screwing over the poor and middle class. It's all about cronyism and nothing to do with helping the poor or middle class.

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    Originally Posted by dainbramage View Post
    Clearly a lot of you disgruntled conservatives should just pack up and get out of the Country now before the social trends reflected in current and future elections totally destroy your withered little hopes for a capitalist utopia. Take all your wealth and superior knowledge and buy some third world shithole for your own country and prove to the "soon to be declining" USA, that your greedy asses knew best after all!
    Heh, the party of science will still have the technology for bicycles, so you lefties will have that going for you.

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