And I'll take Eli and Tom Coughlin.Originally Posted by Meni
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And I'll take Eli and Tom Coughlin.
I'm just glad they're not in. Though I'm not much of an NFL fan, I did get tired of seeing NE in the Super Bowl every year...glad to see somebody different.
I wish patriots made it so I had someone to clearly root against
You say that, but they torched some pretty good, non-afc east, defenses this year also.
30 vs Bal (first meeting), 31 vs Denver, 42 and 41 vs Houston, 34 against SF.
BAZING****
at the end of the 2011 nfl season, the patriots had the best record in the nfl since spygate, with a 48-16 record from 2008-11.
so they went 13-3 this year, solidifying that even more
enjoy, take Eli and Couglin, I'll take Brady and Belichick, atleast they make the playoffs every year
your in Dallas, handsome, your a Cowboys fan, hahahahah****
I wonder if this same philosophy is used when analyzing Bob Stoops/OU the past few seasons
Enjoy
Since the Jets game in 2007 the Patriots have a record of 80-24 (regular season and playoffs), best in the NFL by about 20 lengths. They have won five division titles in six years (the Jets have won 29 fewer regular-season games over the last six years, and that's the second-best record in the AFC East over that span), four AFC title game appearances and two trips to the Super Bowl. Seventeen teams in NFL history have scored more than 500 points in a season and four of those seasons have come from the Patriots since 2007.
By any reasonable measure it's been a remarkable run. Put it another way: If Bill Belichick were just ending his sixth season as coach of the Patriots and this was his record -- with no whiff of cheating -- all that would be missing for entry to Canton is a Super Bowl. He's basically had two Hall of Fame careers in New England, you could make a real case for his post-Spygate years as Hall of Fame-worthy on their own.
But we arrive again at the problem, right? There has been no Super Bowl. And it's not as if Terrell Suggs is alone on some island here -- there are many in the media (including the greatest sports columnist in the history of this city, Mr. Bob Ryan, who wrote in the Globe last Sunday that Belichick "really, really needs to win a post-Spygate Super Bowl") who are clear about this: Until the Patriots win a Super Bowl again, Bill Belichick's entire tenure with the Patriots is invalidated.
Now, did Belichick bring plenty of this on himself? Absolutely, and this is where the See No Evil, Hear No Evil wing of the pro-Belichick party lose me. Roger Goodell slapped Belichick and the Patriots $750,000 and a first-round pick for a very real reason -- they cheated and got busted. That will always be part of the Belichick biography and it should be.
But to question his coaching greatness borders on lunacy. Look, if the Patriots fell off a cliff in 2007 and had been just another team over the last six years I'd be inclined to agree, the three Super Bowls would have resembled the 60-homer seasons from Sammy Sosa. But that didn't happen. Just the opposite -- this has been the best franchise in football over the last six years. Tom Brady has been the best quarterback in football over the last six years, running a historically prolific offense.
To believe that the Patriots need a Super Bowl to lessen the stench of Spygate is to believe that videotaping the Giants would have prevented David Tyree from making that catch. Anyone believe that? How about the throw from Manning to Manningham last year? Does Wes Welker catch that p**** from Brady last year if the Patriots are still cheating?
Now we can play this game forever, and it works on both sides (Tuck Rule, kicks in snow, dropped p**** by Drew Bennett helped them win the first three Super Bowls), but the Patriots are probably two plays away from two Super Bowl wins in the post-Spygate era. The Patriots are a better offensive team than the Super Bowl winners -- Brady is better, the skill players are better. The inability to win a Super Bowl, it seems to me, is less about no longer videotaping the practice of opponents and more about failure to replace Tedy Bruschi, Ty Law, Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinest, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour and Asante Samuel. That's the real story, not Spygate.
But until the Patriots win another Super Bowl there will be always be those who believe Spygate is the real reason for the three titles. And in their world Terrell Suggs is right and I'm wrong. There are worse places to be.
Look at my team affiliation. I am anything but a Cowboys fan...
Tom Brady has done more with less than a lot of QBs. I don't look at the Patriots and say "man, sometimes they don't huddle and that causes them to lose"
I look at them and am amazed they even get in the playoffs with several midget white guys running around the field at WR and RB, playing with no defense, and having their only weapons being tight ends. What they do on offense is amazing. Trying to compare it to OU is silly though.
Offense wins games, Defense wins championships. Until New England gets a good (nevermind great) defense they wont win the big one. All you New England haters better hope they keep drafting poorly in the secondary or its gonna be 3 more rings for us.
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