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[Drake]

Sumlin's coaching/recruiting abilities are not what is being questioned here.. Snyder beat us too and he is a hellova coach{I rank him as one of the very best} The fact that we lost to aTm is terrible but, What is horrible is we had the **** kicked out of us. You talk about Bob going a long ways toward righting the ship when he ran players off ? What comes to mind is why did he have such deadbeats to begin with ? AND, Why did it take him so long to run their ****es off. Why


doesn't he get some damn ****istants who can coach and recruit ? You don't think Bob's losing 3 NC's has hurt recruiting ? No, Players line up to play for a team currently known as CHOKLAHOMA. Get real, Get your head out..NSD is around the corner and It ain't sounding any better.. Yes, Bob came in YEARS ago and did very well BUT, I don't see him fixing this with the same staff he has now and it seems most people agree with that..Funny thing is some agree but still think he should stay.. We don't owe Bob a damn thing IMO..

I have never seen you post on any other subject and never have any other thoughts other than Bob Stoops.

Do you have anything else to offer??

[OU812]

We are gravitating into mediocrity. That's the direction we are currently going. We have too much dead weight on the coaching staff. It's easy to see where the problem areas are, yet those coaches aren't being held accountable. How long does bob allow them to fail before doing something about it? Spare me the big12 co-champ argument. We had our ****es kicked by the 3rd best SEC team. We are not getting any closer to winning a national title, we're getting farther away.

[Stein7495]

2011 was a poor year for Bob. We should have at least won the Big XII. Mizzou and OSU were the big hurdles and we beat Mizzou. The 2011 team underachieved. There were way too many recruiting failures over the last two years.
I thought Stoops went a long ways towards righting the ship this year. He kicked several non-participants off the team and brought Mike back to coach the D. We lost 3 games but none were an embarrassment. I don't know how you can be embarrassed about losing to the team that beat Alabama and won the Heisman. Maybe some of you have forgotten that the reason Sumlin was at OU was because his aTm offense beat us when he was offensive co-ordinator there under RC Slo****.

I don't think Bob's failure to win 3 NC's has really hurt OU's recruiting. Sumlin has been at aTm 1 year and took 2 good recruits from us this year. Sumlin didn't win a national title??? He's just a much better recruiter. Might be a better evaluator of talent as well since he offered Johnny WoManziel when no one else would. Then again maybe the aggies just got lucky on that one.
The main problem I see with the Stoopses at this point, is their failure to fix the defense in this recruiting cl****. So far they have whiffed at shoring up the DL and LB positions. I don't see how we can very good this year. The Big XII doesn't look to be very good either so maybe we'll win 10???

Losing to A&M wasn't what was embarrassing. The fact that we lost by 28 and completely flopped in the second half is what is embarrassing and leaves everybody doubting Bob as this has happened multiple times in bowl games. Johnny Manziel or not, A&M is not 4 touchdowns better than Oklahoma.

[boomermagic]

I have never seen you post on any other subject and never have any other thoughts other than Bob Stoops.

Do you have anything else to offer??

Wow, The above post by you really offers a lot. Did you forget what this thread is about ? Here is the first few lines by the Original poster.
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Number of seasons, prior to this year, that I have given Stoops to "right the ship" is 3. When those 3 years expire he will be entering his 17th season as HC at Oklahoma.

REMEMBER NOW ?

[boomermagic]

Losing to A&M wasn't what was embarrassing. The fact that we lost by 28 and completely flopped in the second half is what is embarrassing and leaves everybody doubting Bob as this has happened multiple times in bowl games. Johnny Manziel or not, A&M is not 4 touchdowns better than Oklahoma.

Exactly.. Bob has to know that he needs to make some staff changes unless he is really dumb.. If he isn't too stubborn to do that he should do it after NSD .. We'll see if he does.

[the_edge]

Here is what irks me about the past 12 seasons:

OU's AP ranking:

		Season Start	Season End

2001			3		6
2002			1		5
2003			1		3
2004			2		3
2005			7	       22
2006		       10	       11
2007			8		8
2008			4		5
2009			3	    UNRANKED
2010			7		6
2011			1	       16
2012			4	       15

So, let's say that 2003, 2004, and 2008 were successful years since OU played for the national championship. In 2010, OU actually ended up ranked higher than it started. In 2007, we started eight and finished eight. So, that's five years, out of the past 12, that I would deem successful.

Every other year OU has underacheived. I know, the AP is bull****, they don't matter, they're idiots and they overrate OU every year. Those are crybaby excuses.

Before the BCS era, the yardstick for having a successful season, if you didn't win the national championship, was to finish in the top five. OU has done that only four times in the past 12 years. That's a seriously ****ty ratio considering OU has more top five finishes than any other school. That's going to be in jeopardy with the program in its current trajectory.

OU plays in a mediocre conference, which is the primary contributor to winning 10 games the past two seasons. It sure as **** wasn't aptitude. I don't think I need to point out the bowl performances as that has been beaten to death.

The past two seasons OU has finished ranked 16 and 15. Gary Gibbs could manage that, and there isn't anybody on this board that was old enough back in the early 1990s that didn't want him gone.

Take a look at the two deep and compare it to 2003 - it's ugly. The lack of talent on defense is frightening. The most ****ed up thing about this, to me, is how it seems like every February Stoops feels like bringing out the "This is our best cl****" line. It's been utter bull**** every year.

I'll continue to cheer my **** off for OU - but I'm not going to expect more than a top 15 finish and nine wins. We don't recruit well enough any longer to be any better than that.

[the_edge]

Before the BCS era, the yardstick for having a successful season, if you didn't win the national championship, was to finish in the top five. OU has done that only four times in the past 12 years. That's a seriously ****ty ratio considering OU has more top five finishes than any other school. That's going to be in jeopardy with the program in its current trajectory.

I'd like to add that three of those top five finishes were from 2002 to 2004, when I don't believe anybody was upset with the state of the program. It's the one top five finish in the eight seasons after that is the bigger issue.

[Stein7495]

I'd like to add that three of those top five finishes were from 2002 to 2004, when I don't believe anybody was upset with the state of the program. It's the one top five finish in the eight seasons after that is the bigger issue.

Completely agree. Although, I wouldn't really count 2009 as something to hold against Stoops. We were ****ed from the beginning with injuries and as the season went on, more and more injuries piled up. Mainly on offense as well. The last 2 seasons though is what really has me frustrated. Starting #1 and #4 and finishing on the edge of the top 15.

[boomermagic]

Here is what irks me about the past 12 seasons:

OU's AP ranking:

        Season Start    Season End
 
2001            3        6
2002            1        5
2003            1        3
2004            2        3
2005            7           22
2006               10           11
2007            8        8
2008            4        5
2009            3        UNRANKED
2010            7        6
2011            1           16
2012            4           15

So, let's say that 2003, 2004, and 2008 were successful years since OU played for the national championship. In 2010, OU actually ended up ranked higher than it started. In 2007, we started eight and finished eight. So, that's five years, out of the past 12, that I would deem successful.

Every other year OU has underacheived. I know, the AP is bull****, they don't matter, they're idiots and they overrate OU every year. Those are crybaby excuses.

Before the BCS era, the yardstick for having a successful season, if you didn't win the national championship, was to finish in the top five. OU has done that only four times in the past 12 years. That's a seriously ****ty ratio considering OU has more top five finishes than any other school. That's going to be in jeopardy with the program in its current trajectory.

OU plays in a mediocre conference, which is the primary contributor to winning 10 games the past two seasons. It sure as **** wasn't aptitude. I don't think I need to point out the bowl performances as that has been beaten to death.

The past two seasons OU has finished ranked 16 and 15. Gary Gibbs could manage that, and there isn't anybody on this board that was old enough back in the early 1990s that didn't want him gone.

Take a look at the two deep and compare it to 2003 - it's ugly. The lack of talent on defense is frightening. The most ****ed up thing about this, to me, is how it seems like every February Stoops feels like bringing out the "This is our best cl****" line. It's been utter bull**** every year.

I'll continue to cheer my **** off for OU - but I'm not going to expect more than a top 15 finish and nine wins. We don't recruit well enough any longer to be any better than that.

Great post, Yes, I wanted Gibbs gone because I had seen what Barry {One of the very best} did and knew we deserved more from an OU program/team.. I know we are capable of more now as well. I just don't understand how someone who claims to be an OU fan can be satisfied with an OU coach who hasn't won a NC in a dozen years at OU. I never will. Especially since things are getting worse instead of better.. How the sunshine pumpers can get on here and praise Bob and demand he remain the OU coach even when they admit they don't think he will make any staff changes I'll never understand..

[SpankyNek]

Great post, Yes, I wanted Gibbs gone because I had seen what Barry {One of the very best} did and knew we deserved more from an OU program/team.. I know we are capable of more now as well. I just don't understand how someone who claims to be an OU fan can be satisfied with an OU coach who hasn't won a NC in a dozen years at OU. I never will. Especially since things are getting worse instead of better.. How the sunshine pumpers can get on here and praise Bob and demand he remain the OU coach even when they admit they don't think he will make any staff changes I'll never understand..

You don't "deserve" anything, ****hat!

I HATE the entitlement culture, everybody gets a trophy bull****.

[boomermagic]

You don't "deserve" anything, ****hat!

I HATE the entitlement culture, everybody gets a trophy bull****.

Listen ****CRACK, You don't decide what I deserve.. It's not an entitlement It's a capability matter..

[eightisgreat]

First of all eight is great has probably never held a football in his/her hands. Secondly neither have 99.9% of the other posters on this thread. Do I want OU to win another NC? of course. Do I or any of you have any idea how to do it NO.

Never said I could, but any coach getting $5M a year is obligated to figure it out. Oh, I played ball through high school but I agree that that is irrelevant.