New Mexico GOP to women: If you get ****d and become pregnant you can't abort

[usaosooner]

or face 3 years in jail


Should a recently introduced bill in New Mexico become law, **** victims will be required to carry their pregnancies to term during their ****ual ****ault trials or face charges of “tampering with evidence.”
Under HB 206, if a woman ended her pregnancy after being ****d, both she and her doctor would be charged with a felony punishable by up to 3 years in state prison:
Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal ****ual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.
****ual ****ault trials are infamously grueling for survivors, who are often subjected to character ****assination and other attempts to discredit their accounts. State Rep. Cathrynn Brown’s (R) bill would add the forced choice between prison or an unwanted pregnancy to these proceedings.
After several failed GOP candidates, including Todd Akin (R-MO) and Richard Mourdock (R-IN), made offensive comments about **** victims during the last election season, Republican consultants launched sensitivity training to teach candidates how to avoid talking about ****. But GOP policy speaks for itself. At the federal level, former vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) introduced a failed bill that would negate ****ual ****ault that are not deemed “forcible ****.” And another New Mexico lawmaker, Gov. Susana Martinez (R), advanced a proposal to require women who become pregnant from **** to prove they were “forcibly ****d” in order to qualify for childcare ****istance.
In addition to burdening victims of ****ual ****ault, Brown’s bill also reveals some hypocrisy in the anti-abortion community. While anti-choice advocates maintain that a fetus should be afforded the full rights of personhood, charging abortion as “tampering with evidence” effectively turns the fetus into an object. This isn’t the first time so-called pro-life supporters have dropped the fetal personhood crusade when it was convenient — last year, a Catholic hospital in Colorado reversed its stance on fetal personhood in a malpractice suit, arguing in court that the term “person” should only apply to individuals who have already been born.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...nce/?mobile=nc

[DHF]

Ridiculous.

[Tundra]

First, That's beyond idiotic. A woman ****d should be able to immediately abort. That was not a choice.

Second, that website is hilarious. The comments by the liberal pansies at the bottom are funny as hell.

[soonerintn]

Never get passed. But it is stupid legislation like that that pisses off about half the voters and ensures other actual good GOP legislation never sees the light of day.

[KCRuf/Nek]

Second, that website is hilarious. The comments by the liberal pansies at the bottom are funny as hell.

They usually are.

[Aurora]

Great googly moogly why does the GOP focus on **** and abortion so much, ****ing ****

[Sancho]

Bizarre. Even from an anti-abortion angle this doesn't make sense. Surely a tiny fraction of all abortions are **** cases.

[McRib]

Bounce is a NM congressman?

[XxSuBLiMexX]

****ing GOP...

[fdubzou]

As someone who writes bills, presents them in committee, and testifies in an attempt to ensure they p**** for a living, I'd be willing to bet this one bill doesn't have that much support. Just because 1 rogue republican in an obscure state legislature submits a bill, that does not make it part of the party's platform anymore than a democrat introducing a bill saying we should revert to communism would be indicative of theirs.

Don't lump all GOP members in with people like this, that is unrepresentative and unfair.



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[oucub23]

As someone who writes bills, presents them in committee, and testifies in an attempt to ensure they p**** for a living, I'd be willing to bet this one bill doesn't have that much support. Just because 1 rogue republican in an obscure state legislature submits a bill, that does not make it part of the party's platform anymore than a democrat introducing a bill saying we should revert to communism would.

Don't lump all GOP members in with people like this, that is unrepresentative and unfair.



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Great post. There are several groups that just watch for this stuff to further a narrative--think progress is one of those.

[fdubzou]

Of course they are. If this bill sees the floor of the house I will eat my shirt.


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[ltsooner]

As someone who writes bills, presents them in committee, and testifies in an attempt to ensure they p**** for a living, I'd be willing to bet this one bill doesn't have that much support. Just because 1 rogue republican in an obscure state legislature submits a bill, that does not make it part of the party's platform anymore than a democrat introducing a bill saying we should revert to communism would be indicative of theirs.

Don't lump all GOP members in with people like this, that is unrepresentative and unfair.



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This x 1,000. Thanks for saying it so well.

[lokifz1]

I cant believe that they could be so insensitive its roe v wade anniversary celebration time. Heard they are making a giant cake with 55 million extinguished candles.

[soonerintn]

As someone who writes bills, presents them in committee, and testifies in an attempt to ensure they p**** for a living, I'd be willing to bet this one bill doesn't have that much support. Just because 1 rogue republican in an obscure state legislature submits a bill, that does not make it part of the party's platform anymore than a democrat introducing a bill saying we should revert to communism would be indicative of theirs.

Don't lump all GOP members in with people like this, that is unrepresentative and unfair.



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Doesn't matter. The msm and the dems will take one dumb **** bill and apply it to generalize all republicans. Really any dumb**** extreme statement from a repub gets applied to all repubs.

The dems are playing chess while the repubs are playing checkers(and not playing very well). The repubs seem to find a way to piss off over half the electorate with extreme abortion and **** views and it completely obscures any sane fiscal, defense or 2nd amendment views.

[SoonerBounce]

I am sure OUmallen is in support of this. I mean, he called all prolifers hypocrites b/c we are anti abortion but don't do anything about it besides protests.
So I'm sure he will applaud this effort....

[thequietone]

guns are cool, abortions aren't....strong work.

[IcanzIIravor]

Doesn't matter. The msm and the dems will take one dumb **** bill and apply it to generalize all republicans. Really any dumb**** extreme statement from a repub gets applied to all repubs.

The dems are playing chess while the repubs are playing checkers(and not playing very well). The repubs seem to find a way to piss off over half the electorate with extreme abortion and **** views and it completely obscures any sane fiscal, defense or 2nd amendment views.

The problem is a lot of main stream members of the GOP have put there foot in their mouths with regards to this issue all through the various races last year so it just furthers the narrative. I do agree that not all GOP members or even the majority feel this way, but the kooks play well in the media. A similar run of idiots with the Democratic Party helped keep the GOP in power through most of the George W Bush years. Once the GOP clamps down on such talk and focus on actual core issues that play well they will be back on top and it will be the Dem's scrambling again.

[lokifz1]

guns are cool, abortions aren't....strong work.

Very strong.

An inalienable right to protect and provide for your self family and country security nourishment and freedom.
An inalienable right not to be murdered as a baby.

[Stinger_1066]

I guess whomever wrote the bill didn't listen to Jindal's speech.

[thequietone]

Very strong.

An inalienable right to protect and provide for your self family and country security nourishment and freedom.
An inalienable right not to be murdered as a baby.

That line of thinking is why Obama is in the White House again. Sentencing a **** victim to prison for three years is just dumb. Imagine if it were your daughter.

[lokifz1]

I never said anything about prison. I responded to your strong comment.

Imagine if it was you.

[TIMB0B]

Hello??? Women that are ****d can't get pregnant. I thought the Missori congressman already established this.

[lokifz1]

Only if they are on one of the islands georgia democrats think can capsize.

[oucub23]

Only if they are on one of the islands georgia democrats think can capsize.

Intn covered the factual basis for what Akin said. There is no factual base for Guam flipping over.

[VUGear]

Looks like Rep. Brown is proposing revised language in the bill:

HB 206

AN ACT RELATING TO CRIMINAL LAW; SPECIFYING THAT A PERSON WHO COMMITS CRIMINAL ****UAL PENETRATION OR INCEST AND WHO PROCURES AN ABORTION OF A FETUS RESULTING FROM THE CRIME WITH THE INTENT TO DESTROY EVIDENCE OF THE CRIME IS GUILTY OF TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE; PROHIBITING PROSECUTION OF THE MOTHER OF THE FETUS.

[ ... ]

B. Tampering with evidence shall include a person committing criminal ****ual penetration or incest procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of the person's act of criminal ****ual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime. In no circumstance shall the mother of the fetus be charged under this subsection.

[oucub23]

Looks like Rep. Brown is propsing revised language in the bill:

HB 206

So he's changed the law to say it's illegal if the intent is to destroy evidence? Not a huge deal then--and probably already illegal. Another useless proposal.

[SpankyNek]

So he's changed the law to say it's illegal if the intent is to destroy evidence? Not a huge deal then--and probably already illegal. Another useless proposal.

Not only that, in the last line it prohibits the mother from being charged in this manner.

So who does this law affect? rapists that also perform abortions?

[Dexa]

That line of thinking is why Obama is in the White House again.

That line of thinking works both ways.

Erhmegerd.. people should get to smoke weed
Erhmegerd.. people shouldn't be allowed to drink 32oz sodas

Erhmegerd.. let people control their own bodies
Erhmegerd...you can't be trusted to have toys in happy meals.


See how that works both ways?

[oucub23]

Not only that, in the last line it prohibits the mother from being charged in this manner.

So who does this law affect? rapists that also perform abortions?

Truthfully? It affects the guy that proposed it. He got his name in the paper, probably got a cash injection for the publicity, shored up his pro-life bona fides, and then gets to come off as reasonable b/c he goes back and reword the legislation to say something nobody can really get that wound up about.

[beelzeBob]

Doesn't matter. The msm and the dems will take one dumb **** bill and apply it to generalize all republicans. Really any dumb**** extreme statement from a repub gets applied to all repubs.

Republicans NEVER do this. Especially on this board.

[oucub23]

Republicans NEVER do this. Especially on this board.

On this board? Sure it happens. It doesn't happen on a national scale though and drive a false national narrative.

[OUMallen]

On this board? Sure it happens. It doesn't happen on a national scale though and drive a false national narrative.

What ****ing bull****. Complete, complete bull****.

He's GOP and he's doing what hardline GOPers want: attempting to ban abortions. He just came up with an end-around creative way to do it. And then, when even YOU guys can't stomach the proposal because of the idiocy, then you renounce him. "HE'S NOT ONE OF US; YOU CAN'T GENERALIZE!!!" The **** we can't. Just another bill to ban abortions on the state level, which you guys love and attempt, like, all the time.


It's not an overgeneralization at all. Unless you're saying, "Well, we always try to ban abortions as a political stance; we just aren't so cr**** and vulgar about it usually." Then we won't generalize that to you. But we sure as hell can generalize "state-based initiatives to stop abortions with any means necessary" to the overall GOP.


The other side of that coin is: I'm glad some of you have at least some modi**** of shame in your varied attempts to regulate women's bodies. There's at least SOME line you draw. And good on you!!

[oucub23]

What ****ing bull****. Complete, complete bull****.

He's GOP and he's doing what hardline GOPers want: attempting to ban abortions. He just came up with an end-around creative way to do it. And then, when even YOU guys can't stomach the proposal because of the idiocy, then you renounce him. "HE'S NOT ONE OF US; YOU CAN'T GENERALIZE!!!" The **** we can't. Just another bill to ban abortions on the state level, which you guys love and attempt, like, all the time.


It's not an overgeneralization at all. Unless you're saying, "Well, we always try to ban abortions as a political stance; we just aren't so cr**** and vulgar about it usually."

Dude, it's not false when a GOP member comes up with another creative manner to ban abortions.


The other side of that coin is: I'm glad some of you have at least some modi**** of shame in your varied attempts to regulate women's bodies. There's at least SOME line you draw. And good on you!!

You have got to be the most tightly wound guy I've talked to. Holy Moses dude. Pulling obscure bills from state legislatures is not representative of the entire party. If it is, let's play that game.

Dems hate God.

Dems are all socialists.

Dems all advocate for late term abortions.

Dems hate US soldiers.

You offered me a subway coupon b/c you thought I was having a bad day the other day. I can offer you a referral for some meds to help with your explosiveness if you'd like.

[Aurora]

They should take all the members of the GOP aside and ask them to stop talking about **** and abortion in the same sentence, just cover that right away and then if they come up with dumb **** like this that gives the GOP a bad name send them to the island of tossed aside fox news hosts with Sarah Palin.

[Aurora]

On this board? Sure it happens. It doesn't happen on a national scale though and drive a false national narrative.

There have been quite a few GOP dudes that say, write and come up with some silly ****/abortion **** lately...

[oucub23]

There have been quite a few GOP dudes that say, write and come up with some silly ****/abortion **** lately...

And every single one of them is making news in the blogosphere. The stupid, crazy radical lefty nonsense gets ignored--because it's nonsense.

[Aurora]

And every single one of them is making news in the blogosphere. The stupid, crazy radical lefty nonsense gets ignored--because it's nonsense.

But someone should bring it to light so other nonsensers will know the truth ... I will never ever vote for any candidate that says some ridiculous **** about a **** victim... EVER

[oucub23]

But someone should bring it to light so other nonsensers will know the truth ... I will never ever vote for any candidate that says some ridiculous **** about a **** victim... EVER

And I don't have a problem w/that on a local level. This is the NM state legislature though--you're never going to vote for any of those people anyway.

[Aurora]

And I don't have a problem w/that on a local level. This is the NM state legislature though--you're never going to vote for any of those people anyway.

hell no because I would never move there ... =)

[brokebacksooner]

hell no because I would never move there ... =)

Hey! What's wrong with New Mexico? Northern New Mexico has beautiful scenery; excellent skiing; awesome diversity of people, wildlife and lifestyles, and the absolute best cuisine in the world.

[SoonerBounce]

Hey! What's wrong with New Mexico? Northern New Mexico has beautiful scenery; excellent skiing; awesome diversity of people, wildlife and lifestyles, and the absolute best cuisine in the world.

Theres a new Mexican restaurant in Yukon now. It's ok

[McRib]

Theres a new Mexican restaurant in Yukon now. It's ok

Green Chilie Kitchen?

[brokebacksooner]

Theres a new Mexican restaurant in Yukon now. It's ok

Okies can't do Northern New Mexican cuisine; they have to **** it up by tex-mexing it too much.

[SoonerBounce]

Green Chilie Kitchen?

Yeah

[SoonerBounce]

Okies can't do Northern New Mexican cuisine; they have to **** it up by tex-mexing it too much.

It's pretty different from tex mex

[McRib]

Yeah

I ate there last Thursday... Very yum.

[SoonerBounce]

I ate there last Thursday... Very yum.

It was hyped up a lot so I was a little disappoint Ted. Also seemed pricey. But man their pies are good.

I would rather eat at Carlitos (las fajitas)

[brokebacksooner]

It's pretty different from tex mex

From what I read online - it has a lot of tex-mex influences. Since I have no intentions of being in Yukon, OK anytime soon, I'll take your word for it though.

It was hyped up a lot so I was a little disappoint Ted. Also seemed pricey. But man their pies are good.

I would rather eat at Carlitos (las fajitas)

I'm making an green chili apple pie this weekend. I'll let you know how it turns out.

[McRib]

It was hyped up a lot so I was a little disappoint Ted. Also seemed pricey. But man their pies are good.

I would rather eat at Carlitos (las fajitas)

I didn't pay so I'm not sure how much it was. We waited like 25 min & then the service was still very slow, but our meals were scrumptious. I had chicken tamales & my friend had the carne adovada. It's kinda hipster Mexican. Locally grown beef, happy chickens who only talked about their problems & were never even grounded... good stuff.