If Saban were to leave and Bama went a dozen years without a NC they would be looking.Originally Posted by IndySooner
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If Saban were to leave and Bama went a dozen years without a NC they would be looking.
Here is my opinion:
Alabama has a coach and fan base that want to win at all costs. They get a five star player, if he doesn't perform to that level, he gets his scholarship removed and room is made for the next four or five star player. If an ****istant coach doesn't perform, they are replaced with a coach that is going to perform. No excuses, they have a do or die attitude that is pervasive throughout the football program.
Contrast that with Oklahoma, our coach use to have that attitude. With pay raises and an acceptance by the fan base, our program tolerates the attitude that we can beat Texas along with tying for a Big 12 championship. Bob had that do or die attitude when he first started at Oklahoma because he had to make it happen or he would be gone. Over time everyone at Oklahoma is "OK" with the progam as it exists today.
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Sorry Jason, i was under the impression coaches knew what their players did on and off the field.
Know the facts before you elude to blaming Stoops for Bomar.
JimmyD the story is, that was a rogue booster at Big Red Sports and Imports
he also lended a hand to AD
In April, Oklahoma cleared standout running back Adrian Peterson, who purchased a vehicle from the dealership before securing financing, drove it for several weeks and then returned the car. Oklahoma investigated the situation, but ruled Peterson did not violate rules because the dealership said it was normal business practice.
but hey, grabbing a new car, driving it around for weeks, then returning it, I do that all the time, who doesn't?
I feel like grabbing a SUV today, see ya
Then, He needs to go..
Careful boomermagic, the pom pom pushers are gonna hate on you and call you **** now. You are not allowed to have a negative opinion about the inadequate coach and team.
I don't believe SE conference athletes are that much IF ANY better than the athletes in the state of texas, California, Ohio , Pennsylvania .. Ain't buying that..
LOL **** em..
Jimmy its SUNSHINE PUMPERS but I do like pom pom pushers
me? I use the side of brain without emotion when I look at the team, like a psychopath does
"oh no we suck again" but thats my team, my sooners
right on, the football states, are FL, Texas, Cali
not BAM****
Me neither.. But we have to get the difference makers on campus regardless of where they come from.
True dat, true dat, but the championship state 2 years in a row is Bama.. Scoreboard ****es.. lmfao
Recruiting is a HUGE part of a coaches job and One of the most important.
I've been screaming the same thing for 3 years..
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That’s a pretty spot on opinion FMsooner1.
Alabama does have a more supportive fan base that pre dates Saban and they also have a more supportive administration…..Boren has OU’s compliance staff breathing down our coaches necks to the point where it’s taking time away from their recruiting efforts.
Many of OU’s very best teams had good numbers of players who came to OU as 2 and 3 star players.
They were uncovered by OU coaches who had very good ability to evaluate and then develop these undervalued players.
Since Oklahoma is in a low populated state the OU recipe requires that OU coaches have the ability to find and sign undervalued players along with enough highly recruited team first players.
Outside of perception. Alabama has recruited & developed players better recently.
The key is the same as it's always been.. Recruit texas hard.. Beat the whorns in their state.. Bob has picked some gems from texas but it's been a while since he has gotten top talent in texas because he is being beaten in recruiting.. Say what you want about Mack and his recruiting but we have to win some big battles in texas to get the players we need.. Now aTm is an enemy there as well. Bottom line is You can't allow other coaches to win most of the battles, You simply have to win your share and we aren't.
Cheating Lou holtz is what I say to you. Shut the **** up and go away. The most hypocritical school, athletic dept, fans, and alumni belong to ND. You lie, cheat, and steal and then pretend to be better than everyone else. **** you and **** ND.
So you're a Tide fan now? Or a state of Alabama fan? It can't be the latter because you would know that it's 4 in a row.
For those saying the South doesn't have better talent, name the top 10 or 15 stud ****ers in the NFL. I'd bet at least 70% of them are from the South (including the state of Texas). I haven't seen a Patrick Peterson or Jadaveon Clowney come out of ****ing Ohio in eons.
Anyway...
Saban is a better football coach than Stoops and practically everybody else in the FBS. But with that said, he didn't build this kind of dynastic monster at LSU and he couldn't even win the Big Ten at Michigan State.
He's not a miracle worker. He's just a very good coach that coaches at a CFB leviathan. Oklahoma is a leviathan too. One of only a handful of schools (ND, OU, USC) that have any business being in the same discussion with Bama.
Aside from Saban being a better coach, what is the problem?
I'd say two primary reasons.
1. He is obviously getting better players.
2. Cultural zeitgeist. Positive for Alabama, negative for Oklahoma.
The SEC is rolling. And Alabama wins the big games.
The Big 12 is fading. And Oklahoma loses the big games.
Success breeds more success and vice versa. Bigtime players wants 2 things. To play for an NFL factory and to win, win, win. OU used to have both of those. Now we are seen as 'Choklahoma'. It's not a secret.
And considering a few years ago, Oklahoma was ahead or equal to Alabama, #2 causes #1...So the problem right now is that Bob Stoops can't escape the national stigma. He is trapped as the figurehead of Oklahoma's negative cultural zeitgeist. That doesn't mean he suddenly became a bad coach. It just means he's losing out on a lot of players in recruiting.
Additionally, let's face it, schematically we put our defense at a disadvantage because our offense runs up to 90 plays a game. Arm tackling comes more from fatigue than improper technique. And we can't match up with big physical teams in the trenches. So while we do well with the gimmicky flag football of the Central 10, when it comes time to putting a helmet on a mouth against bruising teams, we aren't as capable.
If we had won that USC game...or the Florida game...or had not been embarrassed in any number of those big games, then Stoops could turn the tide (no pun intended). As is, he probably can't fix things outside of sheer performance. If he manages to put together the pieces and win a national title in the next few years, things can turn around. It's going to be very hard.
The main reason it's going to be hard? Well...look at recent recruiting. We get boatloads of skill players and nobody else. We have become effectively an old school soft PAC-10 team (USC excepted) that throws the ball all over the yard and can't hit anybody. USC could afford to do whatever they wanted with the pro talent that they stockpile. But we can't in 2011, 2012+ because
we've got some players starting that would struggle to start at Baylor.
We just don't have the players. And we used to get the players.
Currently, we aren't getting the players for a reason. And that reason is also the difference currently between Alabama and Oklahoma.
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If it were that simple OU would have never won a national title since 1970. Neither would Nebraska and I am sure there are others too.
There are some job performances at OU that are not up to par.
That explains a lot...
That explains all the National Championship teams from Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland.
I didn't know that.. That is interesting. How the hell does Oregon win any games ? Or Ohio St. ? Wisconsin has to be cheating..
Alabama has a lot more black folk in their state than Oklahoma. A lot more. That's the difference. "White men can't jump."
It's requires talent AND coaching. Those programs have lacked coaching. Georgia has always been one of the biggest under-achievers in college football history and they are more known for Walker than they are for any other aspect of their football program in history.
Paying off the NCAA and THEN buying players. That's the whole key and it must be done in that order.
What's interesting about that graph is it shows how the overwhelming majority of people tend to stay put or not stray far from where they were born. Slavery was in the south as we're all the blacks. It's amazing how they basically haven't moved in over 100 years.
The population boom in the late 70s in Florida is also what got Miami, Florida St. and Florida on the map not a long time after that. And that population boom wasn't from a lot of white folk, I ****ure you. And it wasn't Cubans either.
We can't possibly win. No coach could ever come here, hire great ****istants, recruit and coach their ****es off and win. No way. We're not bama, USC, Florida, miss st, vandy, etc. we're doomed. We're stuck with bob stoops and his band of HS ****istants. We couldn't possibly do better.
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Yeah Im sure the millions the coaches make and the prospect for the players to make millions in the pros have nothing to do with it. Its all for the fans entertainment, right.
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Seems as though you answered your own question.
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Alabama has NFL caliber D-linemen and O-linemen and OU does not....pretty simple...they also have a much better coaching staff from top to bottom right now as well...
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The real question is: does anyone have pics of Sabans daughter?
Good point. The big donors need to turn up the heat
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