Those were simpler times, and Ronnie's actions were seen (however misplaced) as an attack upon the race as a whole.Originally Posted by okie52
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Those were simpler times, and Ronnie's actions were seen (however misplaced) as an attack upon the race as a whole.
You can say whatever you want to justify it but in the end Hispanics are just another group that Democrats pretend to give a **** about in exchange for votes. Like blacks, ****s, women, etc... oh especially the poor.
no, the "highway" exists. It's called doing it legally FROM THE START.
So his amnesty was mistaken at least if the purpose was to gain votes..as will this one if it occurs.
Not sure. The GOP gets a much larger portion of the Hispanic vote than the **** or black vote. I doubt that would be the case without the goodwill measures of Reagan as president and later W.
Perhaps you didn't read the comment you quoted earlier, but for a "ditch digger" there is no legal option.
McCain got a whopping 30% the year after he sponsored comprehensive immigration reform in the senate. Their gratitude is underwhelming.
Where does bush finish with 10% of the Hispanic vote?
Did I say he did? If you think it is logical for pubs to add 11,000,000 future voters that will vote against them by over 2-1 you should probably stay away from the actuary field.
Yep just like some highways have a minimum speed. You can't take your bike on them! And somebody would be stupid to complain that they can't take their bike on the highway.
Precisely. The path to citizenship requires a green card. How did these 11-20M illegals get here? Did we send our army into Mexico to round them up and herd them across the border? Or were they swept up by some giant dust devil or water spout to be carried northward and deposited across Texas and the Southwestern US? NO.......Millions of illegal aliens made a conscious decision to ignore the Green Card requirement and then broke our laws by coming across the border anyway. You seem to have the attitude that any citizen from any country in the world should be able to wake up one day and say "I'm going to go live in America", and they should be able to waltz across the border and set up shop without any effort or investment. A couple hundred years ago that was the case, but times have changed. Nowadays the burden that these unskilled, uneducated criminals are placing on both our society and economy is harmful and unsustainable.
They come here and work for cash, which they do not pay taxes on and then send back to wherever they came from. When they do take an above-the-table job, they claim the maximum number of dependents (whether they legally have any dependents or not) and have minimal taxes withheld; and then they file a tax return claiming dependents that still live in Mexico and are given billions in tax credits (LINK)
Every day in the city that I live in, illegal aliens are committing crimes. Not just minor misdemeanors...crimes like ****ault, ****, burglary, murder. Millions of tax dollars are spent investigating and prosecuting these crimes and then we very often put these criminals in a prison where we take care of them like they are pampered guests compared to the prisons in their own countries.
There is a legal pathway to citizenship in this country. Is it available to every citizen of the world? NO. Should it be? NO. You and all of the bleeding hearts need to get some perspective. Take a look at what's going on around you and realize the drain that they are placing on our economy. Do you think that simply waving a magic unicorn horn and granting them citizenship will alleviate that drain on our economy and they will suddenly become law-abiding tax payers?
And before you flame me with what a horrible person I am for not wanting to support these millions of illegals, let me clarify my position: I do not blame them for this mess we have. I blame the US government (specifically the politicians) and I blame the American people who have been living with their heads up their ****es and allowing this situation to fester and grow for decades now. What did everyone expect was going to happen when we started offering game show prizes just for showing up at the studio?
My daughter in law is an immigrant from Columbia. A LEGAL immigrant. When she was a teenager, she decided she wanted to come to the United States. She didn't qualify for legal alien status, so she waited, educated herself, aquired a marketable skill. She learned to speak, read and write English, and did all the things she needed to do in order to come here LEGALLY. It wasn't easy and it required hard work, sacrifice, and tenacity. When she got here, she obeyed the laws, worked hard, paid taxes and served in our military. She eventually stood before a judge and took the Oath of Allegiance. She took the LEGAL pathway to citizenship, and granting amnesty to millions of law-breaking illegal aliens just to garner their votes to further promote a political agenda is like spitting in the face of my DIL and millions of others like her.
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Let's review a few basics first. Immigrants have enhanced America. Immigrants and illegal aliens are neither inherently good nor inherently bad. Legal immigrants come to America with the explicit approval of Congress and thus all Americans. Illegal aliens come here with an implicit 'blind eye' approval. Thus, illegal immigration problems are due essentially to inaction of Congress, law enforcement, and ultimately American citizens. To fix our dysfunctional immigration system, Americans need to educate and change legal, political, educational, environmental, labor and religious institutions.
As part of our education it will help to know some facts:
In 1986, Congress granted amnesty to 3.1 million illegal aliens.
In 1990, Congress increased legal immigration by 40%, and granted amnesty to the illegal relatives of aliens who benefited from the previous amnesty.
10-20 million illegal aliens presently roam the U.S. The number of illegal aliens doubled in the 1990's.
Each year more than 1.3 million legal and illegal aliens settle permanently in the U.S.
For every 100 illegal aliens who find jobs in the U.S., 65 American workers are displaced.
Each year, more than 72,000 aliens are arrested for drug offenses in the U.S.
Illegal aliens constitute over 25% of the federal prison population. Think about that for a moment. This means that a group which comprises less than 5% of the population is committing 25% percent of the crime.
In some areas of the country, up to 12 % of felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal aliens.
In Los Angeles alone, 95% of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total approximately 1,200-1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to 2/3 of all fugitive felony warrants (approximately 17,000) are for illegal aliens.
In Lake County, Illinois 1/2 of the murderers and 21.5% of all criminals now in jail are illegal aliens, costing the county an annualized rate of $4,056, 945.
Approximately 400,000 illegal aliens who have committed crimes and have been given a deportation order are at large in the U.S. and their whereabouts unknown.
In fiscal year 1999, expenses for incarcerating illegal aliens in state & local jails in Pennsylvania alone cost taxpayers $13.3 million. It has been established that the nationwide costs to states and localities for housing illegal criminal aliens is about $2 billion per year.
A 2011 report on the fiscal burden of illegal immigration on United States taxpayers found the following:
Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs ****ociated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.
Additionally, the estimated cost of illegal immigration to Indiana state and local governments is $608 million per year.
It is time to end the abuse of American generosity.
I think it's admirable that your daughter-in-law served in the military, and whatnot, but your either/or black/white idea of what answers immigrant issues in this country are not going to solve it or win votes, and ultimately prescribe eradication programs that will permanently profile your DIL as a questionable non American and spit in her miltiary veteran face as well as the faces of legal citizens like her who share her race/ethnicity.
It's hilarious when conservatives hail France as a paradigm of hope the first instant they show signs of xenophobia. Well... White countries of so-called homogenious populations who overreact to the challenges of multiculturalism are never going to serve as a reasonable reference here regardless of how paranoid you are personally about changing demographics. We're a country built on American Indian genocide, slavery, and white supremacy, and we still have to come to terms with the facts of our legal resident population if you believe your buill**** rhetoric about being color blind. And hoping everyone will act like white people, and follow the white rules, set by white people who care about white culture, so it will all work out nice and neat is like a recipe for dystopia in the face of a changing reality on the ground.
Which is why conservatives in serious danger of not being nationally electable, even when their opponents are feckless cowards who can't get anything done. Because being the party of white people doesn't inspire anyone but scared white people.
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Xenophobia? Multiculturalism? What is this, 2005?
European countries have denounced multiculturalism a few years ago and are sorry they embraced it.
There is no fear of change. There is simply a desire to preserve their own culture and people. There is nothing wrong with that (no matter if its native american tribes, black people, or the french). Multiculturalism is ****.
Is this a drive by or do you really think you have a point to debate? Given the depth of your argument I ****ume it's the last you'll be in this thread.
12,000,000 isn't just one person getting lost and meandering across the border. Hell that's more people than the total population of many European countries. France was used an example of the sentiment of most European countries that have cracked down on illegal immigration after decades of ignoring if not embracing it. But, of course, doormats like yourself immediately believe it is unfair treatment by the "white" man.
Mexico's treatment of illegals has been wonderful. They don't seem to appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism unless its when they are whining to the US. Send them a letter.
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