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I'd rather have coaches that are actually good coaches and make whatever players we have the best they can be. John Blake may have been "relatable" but he was a horrible coach.
We do need more diversity on staff. We're accustomed to having a few coaches that struggle in recruiting. We need to diversify the staff with guys that can coach and recruit. Or am I misunderstanding something.
I believe diversity is an old wooden ship...
Widescreen: I'd rather have coaches that are actually good coaches and make whatever players we have the best they can be.
So, the coaching staff can't be diverse and good at the same time?
I haven't read the whole thread but from the posts I've read from OU48A this is what I'm gathering. Suppose I had two men, one African American and one White offering me similar employment opportunities. I liked both of them but related a little better and had more in common with the White man. Because of this I'm slightly more inclined to accept his offer. That makes me racist as is implied about an African American football recruit that relates better to an African American coach?
Or if I have two good friends, one White and one African American, but the White friend is my "best friend" then I must be racist?
I don't care about diversity. I want us to have the best coaches we can get regardless of skin color and who make whatever players we get as good as they can be. If that's all white, all black, or some combination of every race on earth, I'm good with it. Is that clear enough or are you still going to continue implying I don't think minority coaches can be good?
Meanwhile, teams themselves are generally 60% African American and many starting lineups are close to 90%. In my opinion, OU48 sees this type of thing as something akin to an unwritten affirmative action type of policy If you see it from that perspective then obviously then it would be troubling. Obviously Stoops shouldn't hire a black coach just because he is black.
Nice attitude but some of us live in the real world. The world where probably every staff in college football is integrated. I wonder why there aren't staffs that are all black or all white in FBS?I don't care about diversity. I want us to have the best coaches we can get regardless of skin color and who make whatever players we get as good as they can be. If that's all white, all black, or some combination of every race on earth, I'm good with it. Is that clear enough or are you still going to continue implying I don't think minority coaches can be good?
I'm not going to bother reading through 5 pages of what is surely enlightening discourse, but the answer to the OP's question is, yes, we need diversity on the staff. Unfortunately perhaps, but that's the way things are. Most 18 yo FB players don't see the world through the eyes of intelligent and informed adults. Or even LT posters, for that matter. To a lot of black kids and their mothers, a familiar face is a comforting thing.
There are plenty of good black coaching prospects out there. We should be looking for them.
We should live in a nation where race in not a consideration for employment but character and qualifications are the considerations. Unless you’re a dumb ass bigot this should be too hard for reasonably well educated people to do. Once again I only want Stoops to hire the best person he can for these job openings.
Because this is the second time in this thread that you are very wrong about my opinion…. I don’t care what color players are. I just want the best players playing and the best coaches coaching and winning….. If I had a problem with what color football players were I would have never played the game or become a major fan of the sport.
The fact that you take issue with what I am saying says a lot about what your think.
Of course qualifications should be the #1 factor in every coaching hire. But that doesn't mean racial background can't, or shouldn't be a secondary factor.
If you had read every post I have made you know that I am not living in a dream world and would know that I have acknowledged the realities. But it’s some of those reality’s that need to change if we want to get to a better place in our society. If these realities are truly acceptable to some people then these folks need to have their views challenged if we are ever going to make the reality for all better. That’s moving forward IMHO.
I believe that many of the more intelligent players don’t look at race and that you’re (others too) not giving them enough credit for looking at other considerations first.
I am trying to understand why you feel that way.
All I can come up with is that you perceive us as advocating some sort of Affirmative Action program among the staff. That is what I was getting at this time. It wasn't meant to be a criticism.
Try seeing the world through their eyes. If all other things are equal between two school choices, don't you think you'd feel drawn toward the comforting familiarity of the more racially diverse coaching staff?
Look . . . I don't think anyone is saying race is a big thing in recruiting. But it can be a little thing. And getting the little things right is what separates champions from everyone else.
One last time. Young black players and their families want the same thing all young players and their families want. The best opportunity for their career whether it be on the field or off. This thread assumes that black or other minority athletes choose based at least in part upon race. Whereas white athletes don't. Still have never heard that "hope hiring a black o-line or d-line coach doesn't hurt us with the white players."
One reason why I don’t buy into the stereotyping of people is because probably the smartest person I have ever talked to at length was a former running back from the Air Force Academy. He was voted team captain for 3 years. After football he became a Rhodes Scholar. The last I heard he had become a president of a university. The man just happened to be black. He earned it all based on his ability’s
We need smarter players than that, we can get very good smart players and Mike Stoops proves it!
Mike Stoops was just named Big 12 recruiter of the year by Rivalss howing that when you hire the people with high ability’s that reasonable people who have a brain will gravitate toward them.
Reasonable people who have a brain will always gravitate towards what they think will be the best situation for them. Hiring the best coaches available helps to create the best situation.
You know what Iowa State needs "diversity" If 90 % of your starters are black. It is simple hire black, head coach, o-line, d-line, linebackers, secondary, wide receivers and running back coaches. White qb or kicking (special teams coach) Boom national championships should shortly follow.
And if you don't think that diversity plays a role in the hiring practices of corporations, then sir, you have never worked in one. At least not in a management capacity.
**** does this anecdote have to do with anything? It's not news that there are brilliant and successful African Americans in all walks of our society. Sounds like this acquaintance was a major revelation for you, that a person can be black and smart at the same time.
I think you have an agenda in this discussion that extends well beyond the subject of OU Football, and I don't, so I'm going to bow out of this thread.
You are incorrect and in your desperation you are trying to turn all sorts of things into something else when all I want is for OU to hire the best coaches.
Very clearly and fortunately not all kids think like you perceive…
It is very true and very accurate to say that reasonable people who have a brain will always gravitate towards what they think will be the best situation for them. To think that most people wouldn’t is really very stupid. Fortunately most recruits who have abrain are not so narrow minded as to fit your idea of how things should be and for the few that are chances are very high that we don’t want dumb ass players like those on our team.
Let's hire Snoop Dogg, he brought all kinds of recruits into USC. He can coach our players on proper bong use and how to pass a drug test.
Plus Barry's personal background and history made him unique among white coaches in that he could relate and be at total ease with the families oif the black athletes he was recruiiting.
I'm sure the families of recruits are made well aware of sabans charm and deep feelings for their sons. If they don't know other programs advise them. They choose to go there because bama is winning and gives them the best chance to showcase their talent. Not because they have a minority position coach.
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Uh u ever heard of a guy named Cale gundy