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We are pulling our weight in recruiting at all the skilled positions. We are not pulling our weight recruiting the trenches. Reason is the best line prospects see the sec as the best road to accomplishing their goal of making the league. Simple ad that has nothing to do with black coaches in sec.
I think most of the best high school prospect linemen are in the SEC area..Originally Posted by barrister
However, it is interesting to note that 10 out of 14 Defensive Line coaches in the SEC are African Americans. (Note: If Florida hires a white guy then it would be 9/14). I'm sure this means nothing but I thought I would point it out.
I looked at that also. I did not look at all but almost all had black d-line coaches but almost all had white o-line coaches. I don't know what that says to our debate but it is interesting. I do agree sec area seems to be producing majority of best d-lineman. But wit a&m now in sec that conference is getting best d-lineman out of texas as well. Robinson to bama a&m getting the d-lineman the got. To make matters worse when there is a good d-lineman from northeast that sec wants they are able to go in and pull them in right now also. Until we reverse this trend I don't care who we hire we are going to be a power in a second tier conference.
Who is saying this about the sec? That's my point about being shortsighted and making outlandish statements. Where did Jerry Rice go to college? Many a solid pro went to some rinky Dink school. There a ton of factors as to why a kid chooses to go to a certain school.
But it is interesting that many sec schools have black dline coaches. Eh?
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That is my whole point. Minority athletes like all other athletes look at many factors when choosing a program. This thread began with saying we need diversity in the coaching staff(meaning we must hire a black d-line coach). I am all for diversity, but the reason many were saying was because we need to recruit black athletes. That is where there is an issue. Today kids are so well informed as to depth charts ie playing tv coverage etc. race if it is an issue is far down the line. Black and white athletes are picking schools for the same reason and its not skin color of ****istant coaches
While this is true I think we also have to consider that there are a couple of issues we need to consider. One is the personal relationship between recruiter and recruit as well as the personal relationship between position coach and player. These are aspects that are a consideration for these athletes. Regardless of race most recruits/players want to feel a certain comfort level in these situations.
Again, it will be interesting who Stoops hires. If it's a white guy you fellows will say he hired the best coach available. If it's a black guy you guys will say that he hired the best coach available.
There are others of us that feel that there are a number of "best coaches available" and it might be in our best interest to get an African American as it appears the best coaching staffs (and almost all coaching staffs in general have a mix among their staffs).
My view smacks of "de facto" affirmative action which is why I feel you guys object to it and take this position of "the best coach available." The difference being that I don't feel we are necessarily making a "quota" as such but it appears that it would enhance the operation's effectiveness. You guys seem to think it wouldn't matter to have only one African American on the staff (Norvell) if we got that elusive "best coach available."
Edit: Did a quick check of SEC ****istants as listed on the schools website. Each school has 9 not including the head coach and the S&C guy.
The ratio of white to African American was 5.25 to 3.75. The margins were 7-2 white/AA at Tennessee and LSU 3-6 white/AA. Every other school it was either 6-3 or 5-4.
Last edited by Yuck Fu; 02-19-2013 at 08:47 AM.
I don't object to affirmative action where there is a disparity caused by historical inequity which continues to influence. I also believe in diversity; however it should be a natural result in a case like this. Someone in the thread said the racial breakdown for ****. Coaches is 70/30. If those numbers are accurate then a staff of 10 coaches should have from 2 to 5 coaches at any given time. What I see as the issue is saying we need to slot a job for a minority staffer. The reason given in the thread was that if you don't have X amount of minority coaches then minority athletes may not come to Oklahoma based upon that reason. While I don't believe we are completely post racial at present I do believe the current athlete are far enough beyond that it won't be as decisive as many think.
The op speculated that OU is shooting itself in the foot by not having some color in the coaching ranks. It's not a must that OU hire any certain type of coach. The point is that it they could benefit from it.
This isn't about affirmative action. Why does this keep coming up. I think anyone that wants OU to hire a black coach isn't basing this on any need to feel good about the advancement of a race. This is about football and winning. And if it helps OU win and it's not cheating....I'm for it.
I have been bringing it up because I think some people perceive it as a "de facto" affirmative action. However the reason there are black coaches is because there are black players. Over time, black players have entered into the coaching profession. If we look at NCAA men's golf for instance, there isn't a single black coach in the country at the D-1 level. If there were more black players then there would be more black coaches in golf.
I understand what you're saying. But others are talking about it on this thread like someone wants OU to hire a black coach because they want OU to actually have diversity. But the op is not actually wanting diversity in the way you usually think of it. He should have just said "OU needs to hire some color cause it would probably help pull in a few recruits that otherwise might have went elsewhere". Then folks wouldn't have got to break out their "diversity is an old wooden ship" smack and all that other bull****.
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These crusty old ****s out recruited OU this year. They aren't what I would call diverse either.
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I think we need a homo.
Maybe Stoops could go Al Jolson
throwing your name out there on this one? LTs will put in a good word for you
2 1/5 black people > 1 black people
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