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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    If you make 75k or less you get a great subsidy on SS payments when you draw them...the high wage earners get less based on what they pay in...(you are not getting the benefit as of today, other than you are paying less to get the same bennies)

    http://www.socialsecurity.gov/cgi-bin/benefit6.cgi

    If you were born 1/1/1945 and retire and draw benefits on 1/1/2015:
    And make 25k you will get $1219 per month (est)
    50k $1849 per month (you paid in twice as much but only get 50% more in return)
    75k $2478 (you paid in three times as much and get twice the benefit)
    100k $2816 (you paid in four times as much and get less than 2.5 times the benefit)

    Any kids? Any dependents? If you claim them you get subsidized...
    Nope. I'm pretty low on the take. Definitely a net exporter of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    yes

    the amount i got last year was almost ridiculous.....it was a contract signed 3 years ago and like i said.....some disaster provisions kicked in because of the drought....



    you likely wouldn't have near the income/standard of living if others weren't receiving direct payments....
    some of you may not even have jobs...
    our economy depends on the govt tit....
    how many employees would deere have if not for payments to farmers...?
    the money i get flows thru the economy like cheap wine....
    Which is a great, great thing really. (Except when we're massively in debt.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    what do you do for a living?
    I live in your head.

    Actually I work for myself. So your point is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greensooner View Post
    honest question to everyone here? what do you expect 87 to do, not accept it? would any of you not accept it? I know I would, he's doing the same thing everyone else here would do and that's accept the money if given to you
    What would I DO?!?! I'd buy my teenaged son a Corvette... THAT'S what I'd do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    I live in your head.

    Actually I work for myself. So your point is?
    doing what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    doing what?
    What does it matter and what business is it of yours? Please make your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    What does it matter and what business is it of yours? Please make your point.
    I think he's just trying to ascertain how you might take federal funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUMallen View Post
    I think he's just trying to ascertain how you might take federal funds.
    Well before I had my byp**** I had a county medical card and 200$ a month in food stamps - for about a year. Those were actually from the state of Nevada. Once healthy and able to feed myself I was back on my own. Last time I checked that's what that was for. Short term aid for those that need it as opposed to a career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    I live in your head.

    Actually I work for myself. So your point is?
    my point is....you're on the govt tit.....whether you receive it directly.....your employer does....or your customers do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    my point is....you're on the govt tit.....whether you receive it directly.....your employer does....or your customers do....
    So are we back to you didn't build it? And I know you work hard for what you do. It's work I'm not cut out for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post
    So are we back to you didn't build it? And I know you work hard for what you do. It's work I'm not cut out for.
    you accused me of receiving "frivolous overpayment".........without considering from where your payment comes...
    you should think about it over lunch.....while you're at it.....think about that lunch and what it might cost if adm controlled it from seed to table...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    at this point in my life....no...i don't need it...
    when i started out....i didn't need it but it sure helped pay some bills......
    20 years ago .....grain prices were below cost of production.....i don't even know what the current figures are....

    there are thousands of farmers receiving direct payments in the $millions.....those guys should have been cut off years ago...
    income limits were implemented but farmers just found the loopholes to beat the system..

    the really nice part today is the subsidized crop insurance......
    no farmer can afford to operate without crop insurance.....
    Ok....that's interesting. I hope you weren't taking offense to my question. I was honestly just curious. I'm not sure how I totally feel about the Government paying you if you don't need it. I can understand part of the crop insurance thing. After all, the Government has a vested interest in our crops producing each year don't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Do you actually take all the tax deductions that you are allowed? Could you continue to pay your bills if you didn't take the deductions?
    I would think that 87s case is a little different than my tax deductions from MY ACTUAL EARNINGS. But yes, I take every single tax deduction I can....because in my opinion, it's my money...not the Governments and they think they are entitlted to WAY too much of it.

    87s scenario sounds a bit different, and I'm just not sure how it works. That's why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a jerk at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolesooner View Post
    Ok....that's interesting. I hope you weren't taking offense to my question. I was honestly just curious. I'm not sure how I totally feel about the Government paying you if you don't need it. I can understand part of the crop insurance thing. After all, the Government has a vested interest in our crops producing each year don't they?

    the govt should have an interest in maintaining a safe/quality/abundant/affordable/stable food supply....
    city slickers like to **** about monsanto......how would you feel if monsanto/adm/cargill owned all the land....and your food was controlled from the seed/seedstock(livestock).....all the way to the table? and what do you think it would cost you at the grocery store?
    the payments have ensured the survival of the family farm....
    i think it's now to the point those who don't need it are weaned from everything but the crop insurance........nothing wrong with the govt being there as a safety net in cases of weather disasters.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by waynepayne View Post
    hey at least the gr**** got cut.
    Ours get cut at least one, but generally twice a week. We have our own contract for landscaping.

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    1 day a week for 11 weeks, our supervisor said pick a day and make sure the paperwork matches. I can't complain, but I think it will end up being cancelled after 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oughostpilot View Post
    1 day a week for 11 weeks, our supervisor said pick a day and make sure the paperwork matches. I can't complain, but I think it will end up being cancelled after 2 weeks.
    I'm looking at it like I'll have a bit more time to take small vacations this year. Go to the lake more, float the river, take less leave when I go on a trip

    I won't complain b/c it could have been a lot worse and I think it will be good for me. I'll get some of my summer back

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    Any DoD civilians get their notice yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbySooner View Post
    Any DoD civilians get their notice yet?
    furlough is supposed to start July 8th, so I suspect we will get them in 2 weeks unless they are reduced any further by then

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    Quote Originally Posted by greensooner View Post
    furlough is supposed to start July 8th, so I suspect we will get them in 2 weeks unless they are reduced any further by then

    at this point, I just want to know what day its going to be on, so I can plan out all the "house" projects I have been putting off.

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    Commissaries shutting down on Mondays for, I think, 11 weeks starting July 8th ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by greensooner View Post
    furlough is supposed to start July 8th, so I suspect we will get them in 2 weeks unless they are reduced any further by then
    Secretary of Defense says notices go out between May 28 and June 5th. I think we're getting ours today or tomorrow.

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    Just got word that ours are being delayed until a formal process can be done between all services and agencies on base. They can't even figure out how to furlough people right..lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArbySooner View Post
    Just got word that ours are being delayed until a formal process can be done between all services and agencies on base. They can't even figure out how to furlough people right..lol.
    I think they are delaying it as long as they can in the hope that maybe a budget gets passed before they actually have to do the cuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Commissaries shutting down on Mondays for, I think, 11 weeks starting July 8th ...
    they're always closed mondays.....
    the closures are for tuesdays

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    my bro in law is an engineer down here at eglin afb.....he got his furlough notice ....i don't know the details yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    they're always closed mondays.....
    the closures are for tuesdays
    Not Sill...it is open 7 days a week...originally they were talking about Wednesdays but the latest looks like Monday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Not Sill...it is open 7 days a week...originally they were talking about Wednesdays but the latest looks like Monday...

    vance will be closed mondays and tuesdays

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    my bro in law is an engineer down here at eglin afb.....he got his furlough notice ....i don't know the details yet
    interesting, I haven't heard a word about it other than what I knew a week ago

    I'm sure mine's coming, just don't know exactly when at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeLucky View Post
    I think they are delaying it as long as they can in the hope that maybe a budget gets passed before they actually have to do the cuts.
    Supervisors had them today but said **** it. They have to print each one, have it signed by employee, scan, and upload individually. Extremely ridiculous..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    they're always closed mondays.....
    the closures are for tuesdays
    Many bases that is true, but I know TAFB it isn't.

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    i am on furlough friday and monday - with another day in late june....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Commissaries shutting down on Mondays for, I think, 11 weeks starting July 8th ...
    Yep. I just signed my furlough proposal letter today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    they're always closed mondays.....
    the closures are for tuesdays
    Mondays are the furlough day. Commisary's and overseas CDC's will adjust their schedules to this. My CDC will only be working from Tues-Fri until this is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pphilfran View Post
    Not Sill...it is open 7 days a week...originally they were talking about Wednesdays but the latest looks like Monday...
    No doubt about it, all of DeCA will be closed on Mondays starting Jul. 08. There are actually 13 Mondays between now and the end of the fiscal year, with 1 of them being a holiday. So I guess we'll get a Monday back sometime down the road.

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    email I received this morning said "per AFLCMC and AFSC guidance, expect Friday to be out primary furlough day."

    *hasmixedemotions*

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner68 View Post
    Mondays are the furlough day. Commisary's and overseas CDC's will adjust their schedules to this. My CDC will only be working from Tues-Fri until this is over.
    really?

    http://enidnews.com/localnews/x24078...close-Tuesdays

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    Tuesdays are only if the commissary is normally closed on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87sooner View Post
    Do I need to spell this out for you? If you are normally closed on Monday then you have to chose another day as well. But Mondays are the furlough day for all of DeCA. And how do i know this? I'm a supervisor at DeCA.
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    In the early bird this morning.......

    Air Force Cancels Furloughs For Tinker Workers Whose Homes Were Destroyed By Storms In OklahomaBy Chris Casteel WASHINGTON -- Civilian workers at Tinker Air Force Base who lost their homes in the recent storms that struck central Oklahoma will be exempted from the furloughs that will begin next month for most other employees.

    "This is the right thing to do," Air Force Secretary Mike Donley said Monday. "Despite some facing devastating personal circumstances, our Oklahoma-based civilian employees have shown their resilience time and time again. The least we can do is remove this additional burden."

    The exceptions from the furloughs are for those whose homes were destroyed or rendered uninhabitable.

    More than 14,000 Tinker employees are expected to be furloughed for 11 days through Sept. 30. The first furlough day for Defense Department civilian workers is July 8.

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    ^^ Was in paper yesterday or over weekend. I think we're getting our notices today.

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    I just got my notice a few minutes ago. Signed it and now await furlough the week of July 8th, which is going to be a fun 2 week period for me. I'll be off July 4th-8th, come in the 9th-11th and then be off 12-14. All while only losing 1 day of pay. Then we have 5 pay periods of only 80% pay going forward but we also get paid 3 times in August so it won't be as hard to deal with most people really thought.

    Just don't be wreckless with your money and this will blow over fairly quickly. It might not even go through to 21 September 2013, we might have the funds to keep operations going or to reduce furlough days again in the next month or two.

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    I just signed for mine as well and I'm not going to freak out about it, like some around here are. We've known it was coming for a while and I've made the necessary budget adjustments that I'll be fine.
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    President Obama and his family will be going to Africa later this month. But the trip won't be cheap; it's expected to cost American taxpayers $60 to $100 million, according to the Washington Post.


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